Terminator Sequel Trilogy Theory (Spoilers)

[Admiral_Young]

I don't claim to be an expert on the Terminator Franchise (like NX) so forgive me if I get some of the details wrong here. In Rise of the Machines we're told that John Connor is murdered in 2032 by a Terminator used because of his semblance to the one sent to protect John in his youth. Kate Brewster then sends a Terminator back to 2004 to protect John and Kate and get them to Crystal Peak. Now we know that John Connor leads humanity to victory against Skynet eventually. We were shown that scene briefly in T3 again. From Salvation we learn that Kate Brewster is pregnant with their son...now this is impossible age wise but I got to thinking that what if John Connor is indeed killed but his son (even as a child but acting as a figurehead through his mom and maybe Barnes) is the John Connor we have heard about. Is that too much of a crazy twist? If McG is still attached as director by the third one and he retains the same writers I could see them throwing that as a twist.

 

[JacksonArcher]

Honestly? Sounds like a dumb idea. However it does sound like something McG or Brancato and Ferris would come up with. This new child of John Conner would be, what, in his teens by the time Brewster would send the Terminator back, correct? Sounds kind of iffy to me.

 

[Admiral_Young]

It sounded dumb when I came up with it....but then I read what McG's plans for T5 are and I thought this idea can't be much worse. Why do we need another time travel movie at this stage?

 

[Captain Craig]

At first blush I also am not for any more time travel backwards. It's a factor as to why I find T:S refreshing. Just as T:3 broke the mold and gave us JD, I'm glad to be in the Future War and done with the 'send 2 back' story frame we had for 3 movies.

The only time travel back I feel at this point that is acceptable is the inevitable sending of Kyle back to '84.

 

[nx1701g]

It's as good a possibility as any. As we've been discussing in one of the other threads though there is no on screen proof that Skynet has ever really been defeated though. The future war scenes in T3 were not really happening and were John Connor's imaginings. In the expanded universe materials the war is still happening in 2041 (this was as far back as The Terminator and comes from the tie in). That makes me think that what you suggest could, possibly, happen because the war could continue unended. The war didn't end with the destruction of the Cheyenne Mountain base as Reese thought.

 

[Lonemagpie]

It sounded dumb when I came up with it....but then I read what McG's plans for T5 are and I thought this idea can't be much worse. Why do we need another time travel movie at this stage?

McG's T5 idea will look fabulous on screen - but looks is probably all. It doesn't help that the plot he has in mind is basically that of Day Of The Daleks, a 1972 Dr Who episode... So I've already seen it!

 

[bigdaddy]

What's the idea of T5 again? I remember reading it and hating it, but my mind must have blocked out what it was.

 

[Lynn Minmay]

McG and the writers of Catwoman will rape all of your childhoods.

 

[Cky]

It sounds like a dumb idea to be honest. So... I expect this to happen around the end of the second film.

 

[nx1701g]

What's the idea of T5 again? I remember reading it and hating it, but my mind must have blocked out what it was.

Spoiler: Current Plot of T5

Skynet discovers a means to transport metal back through time based upon the research of a scientist (Robert Patrick). It sends an army of Harvesters, Hunter Killers, and Terminators back to present day Earth to take over the planet. John Connor jumps back through time to stop them.

 

[Ayelbourne]

What's the idea of T5 again? I remember reading it and hating it, but my mind must have blocked out what it was.

Spoiler: Current Plot of T5

Skynet discovers a means to transport metal back through time based upon the research of a scientist (Robert Patrick). It sends an army of Harvesters, Hunter Killers, and Terminators back to present day Earth to take over the planet. John Connor jumps back through time to stop them.

Wasn't that one of the canned endings of T4?

 

[nx1701g]

^ Nope.

 

[Cky]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that it indeed, was of the suggested endings of this film. Along with one being with Kyle going in to the past.

 

[nx1701g]

^ I'm sorry to tell you that you're wrong.

This is the quote McG gave:

"...the next movie is going to take place in a [pre-Judgment Day] 2011. John Connor is going to travel back in time and he's going to have to galvanize the militaries of the world for an impending Skynet invasion. They've figured out time travel to the degree where they can send more than one naked entity. So you're going to have hunter killers and transports and harvesters and everything arriving in our time and Connor fighting back with conventional military warfare, which I think is going to be fucking awesome."

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ There's a problem with that plot though having Robert Patrick...IIRC in Terminator 2 the only reason the T-1000 appeared as the police officer is that it scanned and borrowed the image of the officer right? It's been a while since I last saw Terminator 2 so maybe I should check it out from the library next time I get a chance but I'm pretty sure that is how it took the form.

 

[Captain Craig]

"...the next movie is going to take place in a [pre-Judgment Day] 2011. John Connor is going to travel back in time and he's going to have to galvanize the militaries of the world for an impending Skynet invasion. They've figured out time travel to the degree where they can send more than one naked entity. So you're going to have hunter killers and transports and harvesters and everything arriving in our time and Connor fighting back with conventional military warfare, which I think is going to be fucking awesome."

So is McG planning to rewrite Judgement Day?
Was it not 2003 Terminator time, as well as our present when the film came out, that JD happened? I'm not for JD being this 'floating event' that hopes around. Now that its happened lets stay with it. I don't recall Salvation establishing JDs date? Is it in an edit or one of those scenes Marcus sees the event and I just missed the display readout?

Also, is McG and the writers going to allow for forward hoping thru time ala TSCC. If so I don't like that.

^ There's a problem with that plot though having Robert Patrick...IIRC in Terminator 2 the only reason the T-1000 appeared as the police officer is that it scanned and borrowed the image of the officer right? It's been a while since I last saw Terminator 2 so maybe I should check it out from the library next time I get a chance but I'm pretty sure that is how it took the form.

No, this keeps coming up.
The T-1000 has a default image and that is of Robert Patrick.
The movie, T2, clearly shows the officer and he neither looks nor sounds like Patrick.

 

[nx1701g]

^ JD in Terminator Salvation happened in 2004 (matching with T3's July 25, 2004 date).

The Cop's uniform was the only thing taken by the T-1000. He had a physical template preloaded. The officer was named Austin and was uncredited.

 

[JoeZhang]

^ I'm sorry to tell you that you're wrong.

This is the quote McG gave:

"...the next movie is going to take place in a [pre-Judgment Day] 2011. John Connor is going to travel back in time and he's going to have to galvanize the militaries of the world for an impending Skynet invasion. They've figured out time travel to the degree where they can send more than one naked entity. So you're going to have hunter killers and transports and harvesters and everything arriving in our time and Connor fighting back with conventional military warfare, which I think is going to be fucking awesome."

urg.. on a whizbang level, great - as a story - no thanks...

 

[Admiral_Young]

Ah okay...thanks for clearing that up, as I stated it's been a while since I last saw Judgement Day so I'd forgotten that. The reason I don't like the time travel idea...is that there shouldn't be any more need for it. The point of having Terminator Salvation is that we are now shown the Future War against the Machines! Judgement Day already happened in 2003, what is going back to 2011 going to accomplish? The world isn't in any better shape. How are they suppossed to figure out how to send more people back in time...they haven't even done it yet in the first place! Arggghh...

 

[bigdaddy]

Yep that sounds really dumb, no wonder why I blocked that out.

I was thinknig that the three new movies would all have one over arcing story to them along with seperate plots ending in each one.

Couldn't the machines just send everything back in time until 10,000 BC and just wipe everyone out? Maybe they aren't (lamely) allowed to go past JD.