Terminator: Salvation Discuss/Grade <Spoilers>

[Base_Delta_Zero]

Yeah, that whole "transwarp beaming" thing was pure garbage. Nimoy was able to sell it to a certain degree, but even he could escape from that example of bad writing. Still, it wasn't as bad as Kirk's promotion from cadet to captain inside of a week. That was laughable.

I too enjoyed T:S somewhat more than Star Trek. The former was average, and the latter below average, for me.

Kirk wasn't actually just a Cadet. I read somewhere that the character had the rank of Lieutenant just like Spock was a full Commander.

Still, the whole notion of being promoted from lieutenant to captain in a few days stretches credibility in the extreme.

Their long distance beaming was established as possible in Star Trek TNG, but it was rarely used due to the power cost. It was in the episode where Picard's "son" was kidnapped by the Ferengi.

Between two stationary points or from a stationary point to a ship traveling at warp? What about "matching warp velocities for transport?"

In the face of massive casualties (both the loss of nearly the entire Academy class plus literally billions of potential officer candidates from Vulcan) coupled with a conflict apparently ramping up off screen, it is entirely reasonable to promote an officer several grades (a graduate of an officer academy is granted an officer rank immediately upon graduation) who has not only shown he can lead a crew the size of the Enterprise's, but do so extremely well while saving the capital of the nation.

In prior major conflicts, such as World Wars I & II and Vietnam, when units suffered extreme casualties in the field, until replacements could be trained and shipped overseas, junior officers were forced to step up into billets far above their pay grade, senior segreants commanding companies, for instance.

The US Navy, again for instance during WWII, also frequently appointed very young (age 25-30) men to command (hold the ship commader's billet, addressed as captain) submarines, destroyers, etc. at ranks from LT to LCDR.

The Enterprise is the fleet flagship, sure, and no doubt many other senior officers will resent being passed over by a freshly minted lieutenant, but Kirk just saved the world, its a great propaganda move, and why change a crew dynamic that clearly works very well?

The system-system beaming potential is more troubling to me, but it will no doubt be technobabbled away as a one-shot, overly dangerous plot device.

 

[Captain Craig]

ATTENTION:

THE HARVESTER BOT DID NOT SNEAK UP VIA WALKING AS HAS BEEN THE COMPLAINT.

The transport ship clearly shows how a Harvester-Bot sits atop the "cattle car" flying transport. For mental reference recall how when Kyle and 'Star' fall from the tow truck a Harvester-Bot is resting atop the Transport and then folds itself into a predesigned slot.

The Harvester was flown in and then dropped at the gas station. Hence in the scene when just a few seconds prior to the first person(gray haired female elder) being grabbed we see the building shake. That shaking would be the Harvester bot 'deplaning' from the Transport. Flown in high and dropped off low. When the camera pulls back and we first see the Harvester the Transport that dropped it off is seen to 'screen right'/'bots left'.

There now that is one more GRIPE debunked I'll hit another.

ATTENTION:

KATE BREWSTER NEVER PERFORMS THE HEART TRANSPLANT.

In the film as they leave the SkyNet SanFran base in the helicopter its clearly heard by a crewman say, after Barnes says "sit us down in the 1st safe zone", "We have a med emergency, prepare the SURGICAL TEAM...its Connor".
On site Kate is not in gloves or any other attire she is there as a loving wife. Her telling Barnes 'his heart can't take it' is her passing along what she has been told by the medics. Just as a doctor would first tell a family member sensitive news and then they pass it along to fellow concerned loved ones.
When the needle is put in Marcus and gloved hands are seen prepping the machines its not shown to be her(Kate). So inferring its her is false especially knowing a SURGICAL TEAM is on site. In other words real docs.

But...lets say one wants to nitpick that Kate was seen in some medical capacity. Fine, but she didn't do the heart transplant. She as a vet tech became enabled to learn how to do some human medical work in much the same way a simple WAITRESS in Sarah Connor became enabled to learn militia tactics. Can't stretch out for one with out doing for the other. Again though, KATE DID NOT DO THE TRANSPLANT.


Take a stab at that Trekker, T'Baio or other loud hater.

 

[Aragorn]

Why are you so damn defensive about this movie?

 

[dkehler]

Why are you so damn defensive about this movie?

Probably for the same reason some people are defensive about Star Trek 2009.

 

[Captain Craig]

Not that I'm super defensive as just keeping things in check. My equally valid viewpoint is that others seem to be hating and nitpicking just because. Would you not see it that way as well? I hear/read blunt antaganistic attitudes coming from those claiming this is the worst thing since Pluto Nash or Battlefield Earth when its not. Keeping hyperbole in check is all my aim is intended.

 

[T'Baio]

ATTENTION:

THE HARVESTER BOT DID NOT SNEAK UP VIA WALKING AS HAS BEEN THE COMPLAINT.

The transport ship clearly shows how a Harvester-Bot sits atop the "cattle car" flying transport. For mental reference recall how when Kyle and 'Star' fall from the tow truck a Harvester-Bot is resting atop the Transport and then folds itself into a predesigned slot.

The Harvester was flown in and then dropped at the gas station. Hence in the scene when just a few seconds prior to the first person(gray haired female elder) being grabbed we see the building shake. That shaking would be the Harvester bot 'deplaning' from the Transport. Flown in high and dropped off low. When the camera pulls back and we first see the Harvester the Transport that dropped it off is seen to 'screen right'/'bots left'.

There now that is one more GRIPE debunked I'll hit another.


Take a stab at that Trekker, T'Baio or other loud hater.

I'm well aware of how the Harvester rides the transport.

But how did the transport flying by jet propulsion sneak up on them? And later on, when we see the Harvester get on/off it's transport, it's making a hell of a racket. All gears and hydraulics and clanging metal. But you're right, of course it would only be that first step they would hear a split second before the claw comes crashing through the building.

You'll also recall several scenes beforehand where everyone is always on high alert and there's a couple "shh...did you hear that? They're on to us...RUN!" moments.

But of course, you're right, they wouldn't hear the jet engines.



Edited to add...what's this "hater" shit? You think I wanted to hate the movie? You think I go to spend my 10 bucks because I'm hoping the movie blows? Check the threads, before the movie came out I was defending it, defending McG...as I still am...and said that one trailer was brilliant and made me super excited for the film. I was telling everyone I was convinced it was going to be a great film. Now I'm a hater. I'm sorry the movie sucked, it's not my fault, and I'm truly disappointed of that. Hater.

 

[stonester1]

Dude, you aren't a hater, you are a disappointed fan.

So are most of us.

This thing was a dog and I'm sorry to say that.

If this franchise has a future, it won't be this.

 

[nx1701g]

^ I'm sorry to give you some bad news then. McG has been authorized to begin work on Terminator 5. It was greenlit prior to T4 being released.

 

[stonester1]

Well, I'll bet if this thing is ultimately as tepid in it's returns as it looks, the studio has some kind of out clause.

At the very least, if McG is locked in as the helmer, get MUCH better scriptwriters.

 

[JacksonArcher]

I think the biggest issue was, as with many films, that there were writers on top of writers doing piecemeal revisions to an already laid out foundation by Brancato and Ferris, verses a clean slate with every new writer. So the film probably came out very disjointed as a result. Plus, supposedly the editing was also jarring, with important chunks either truncated or missing, and the end result is a chopped up piece of filmmaking.

 

[nx1701g]

^ I recall reading that there have been 8 people who have "polished" the script at some point during its development.

Well, I'll bet if this thing is ultimately as tepid in it's returns as it looks, the studio has some kind of out clause.

At the very least, if McG is locked in as the helmer, get MUCH better scriptwriters.

McG is under contract. It does look like it'll still be happening because WB and MGM are battling for the rights to the film series distribution.

 

[Mr Nighttime]

I haven't sifted through the other posts so if I repeat things, I apologize. I saw the movie last weekend and liked it.

But I didn't love it and got tired of a few things.

I thought the effects were great and the sound was good. The harvester was great fun. And the Terminator half chasing Conner was tense. The Marcus character was well played.

But my gripes are these: I really am sick of nice Terminators. I mean really, Marcus was just a rehash of Arnie in T2 and 3. I would like to see a movie where the terminators aren't reprogrammed to save the good guys in the nick of time. If they are a threat..make them a threat. I am getting to where they remind me of the Borg. Started out scary and ended up being just another cliche bad guy.

ANd it is very sad when you care more about the "good" Terminator than the main character of John Conner. In T2 and T3, they made the machine so sympathetic I really cared less about the people. John Conner was second fiddle.

Terminator: Salvation....exactly what salvation did we see? People died, Skynet is still hunting people and the situation is basically the same.

ANd i get the nods to the previous films...everything from reused lines to Arnies face on a body that looked better than Arnies did back in the day. Okay..I get it..ha ha...do we really need the cute nods and fan wanks?

Still as I said, it wasn't a bad movie and a good popcorn flick. But it could have been great.

 

[Captain Fine]

What I really liked about this movie was the Marcus character. Although I really noticed him slipping up on his accent later in the movie. My gripe with the ending was that they took Marcus's heart and gave it to Connor. I felt like Marcus should have been the one to live. I just cared a lot more about him than about Connor.

I liked the whole theme about "second chances" and how Marcus got his and was now giving Connor's his.

I liked the twist about the "signal" actually being a Skynet creation to weed out the resistance. I can't say I was upset when the resistance submarine was blown up.

I appreciated that Connor was intent on saving the human prisoners. Even though I didn't really love Connor's portrayal, at least he did the right thing.

The whole pregnancy not being mentioned thing did strike me as odd.

I hope to see the extended cut on DVD when it comes out however. I hope to see more of the Marcus character. He's droolworthy :P

 

[Trekker4747]

ATTENTION:

THE HARVESTER BOT DID NOT SNEAK UP VIA WALKING AS HAS BEEN THE COMPLAINT.

The transport ship clearly shows how a Harvester-Bot sits atop the "cattle car" flying transport. For mental reference recall how when Kyle and 'Star' fall from the tow truck a Harvester-Bot is resting atop the Transport and then folds itself into a predesigned slot.

The Harvester was flown in and then dropped at the gas station. Hence in the scene when just a few seconds prior to the first person(gray haired female elder) being grabbed we see the building shake. That shaking would be the Harvester bot 'deplaning' from the Transport. Flown in high and dropped off low. When the camera pulls back and we first see the Harvester the Transport that dropped it off is seen to 'screen right'/'bots left'.

There now that is one more GRIPE debunked I'll hit another.

T'Baio answered this pretty well. The jet itself makes a lot of noise to alert the people inside the station.

ATTENTION:

KATE BREWSTER NEVER PERFORMS THE HEART TRANSPLANT.

In the film as they leave the SkyNet SanFran base in the helicopter its clearly heard by a crewman say, after Barnes says "sit us down in the 1st safe zone", "We have a med emergency, prepare the SURGICAL TEAM...its Connor".
On site Kate is not in gloves or any other attire she is there as a loving wife. Her telling Barnes 'his heart can't take it' is her passing along what she has been told by the medics. Just as a doctor would first tell a family member sensitive news and then they pass it along to fellow concerned loved ones.
When the needle is put in Marcus and gloved hands are seen prepping the machines its not shown to be her(Kate). So inferring its her is false especially knowing a SURGICAL TEAM is on site. In other words real docs.

But...lets say one wants to nitpick that Kate was seen in some medical capacity. Fine, but she didn't do the heart transplant. She as a vet tech became enabled to learn how to do some human medical work in much the same way a simple WAITRESS in Sarah Connor became enabled to learn militia tactics. Can't stretch out for one with out doing for the other. Again though, KATE DID NOT DO THE TRANSPLANT.


Take a stab at that Trekker, T'Baio or other loud hater.

I, personally, made no real complaint on Kate handling the transplant and can see how her "skills" could be adapted on humans in an extreme circumstances.

My chief complaint about the transplant is where it was performed, how it was performed, and countless complications even DOING a transplant further complicated by after-transplant care.

 

[Aragorn]

Well I don't think this movie is the worst thing since Pluto Nash and Battlefield Earth since I think it's very average. So I'll just say it's... the most middling thing since Pearl Harbor and Next?

I didn't like the terminators throwing the (lead) humans around. Not a very effective killing machine. And their aim with firearms also sucked.

Bale slummed through his role, but I don't think he had anything to work with to begin with. Yelchin was a pleasant surprise (I was hoping they would've gone with Jonathan Jackson). Yelchin and Worthington were the only good characters in the movie.

 

[oponda2009]

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[Captain Craig]

I'm well aware of how the Harvester rides the transport.

But how did the transport flying by jet propulsion sneak up on them? And later on, when we see the Harvester get on/off it's transport, it's making a hell of a racket. All gears and hydraulics and clanging metal. But you're right, of course it would only be that first step they would hear a split second before the claw comes crashing through the building.

You'll also recall several scenes beforehand where everyone is always on high alert and there's a couple "shh...did you hear that? They're on to us...RUN!" moments.

But of course, you're right, they wouldn't hear the jet engines.

You assume jet propulsion, who's to say the SkyNet ships aren't equipped with a quieter from of propulsion. In the film you never do actually hear them till they are just overhead and ontop of you. It's why its believable they drop in from high altitude and then hover. Otherwise Kyle,Marcus & Star should've seen one coming long before they heard it just as it arrived ontop of them. When John and Barnes are testing the device they don't hear it and its literally right there for them to see. How's that for internal logic for you?

Now as to how the Harvester gets off the Transport we don't know how that works. Perhaps there is a mechanism in place where it is released from the Transport just as smoothly as the Moto-nators are released from the Harvester.

As to the "hater" thing, I deleted that in error but its up there for any to read, you only seem to be going out of your way to tear it down. When its just as easy to see how it also might work in a believable way. Let me know your opinion on these explanations and if you got mad let me say, sorry.

My chief complaint about the transplant is where it was performed, how it was performed, and countless complications even DOING a transplant further complicated by after-transplant care.

They got the rebar out of his chest right? He was sitting there, coherent and getting fluids. I'd wager that the ideal conditions weren't right for that either but it was done. They did have a high degree of sophisticated tech around that helicopter making for that impromptu ward. Why is it a stretch to believe they could've thrown up some type of barrier in the immediate area once the transplant began? Even that might not be ideal but it would be given the conditions. It may have been 15yrs after JD but they still had some bases, planes, nuclear subs, antibiotics for pilots and I'd wager some toothpaste based on the evidence.

It just seems that here and across the 'net people have gotten focused on trying to tear T4 down than see where its right and room for imagination and extrapolation make things just as plausible and possible as they are using their imagination to make things UNplausible and IMpossible.

 

[nx1701g]

The Skynet HK-VTOL is supposed to have a stealth technology that helps to keep them from being heard on the battlefield.

 

[Captain Fine]

I'm really hoping for a sequel, but I want them to bring back Marcus. Maybe without his "human heart" he'll juts be an evil machine LOL.

 

[nx1701g]

^ I don't think so. He ripped out his Skynet Processor chip.