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Terminator Rights to be Auctioned in Late November

Whedon has apologized more than once for Alien 4, but the real assassination of the franchise came from studio interference and a director that barely spoke and couldn't read english.
That Whedon's script was terrible didn't exactly help.

Sorry, I know people like to absolve him for this one, and while he's not the only problem with this production (Jeunet is a genius, by-the-by, so it's a shame this didn't work out) he's definitely part of the problem.
 
Okay, here's another shameful admission.

I liked Alien Resurrection too.

My tolerance for disliked fourth movies draws the line at Batman and Robin though.
 
The problem is that T2 effectively ended the story, not only practically but also thematically. The future was no longer determined, we could go our own way, having been duly warned as to the dangers that possibly lay ahead.

T3 never got over this problem and utterly failed to look like anything other than what it was, a shameless cash-in of a popular franchise.
I disagree. In T2, "Uncle Bob" - a partly-sentient machine - sacrificed itself to save humanity. But as it and John agreed, the thematic "original sin" - war - started with humanity ("it's in your nature to destroy yourselves"), and humanity created Skynet. Ergo, thematically, one could well argue that after T2, there still needed to be a human atonement for the sins of war.

It makes perfect sense to reason that Cyberdyne's destruction prevented the accelerated, T1-induced Judgment Day and restored it to its original Air Force/CRS development. IMO - and I admit that this should have been expressed better - the panic that Nick Stahl shows when he realizes that instead of futzing around, he should have been actively working to discover and destroy the CRS Skynet, thus atoning for humanity's wrongs (recall his initials) is what gives T3 enough heart to justify its existence. Maybe I'm misreading the filmmaker's intentions (the ending narration doesn't quite conform to this), but there you go. ;)

That said, any continuation from T3 should have addressed his guilt over his failure.
 
Whedon has apologized more than once for Alien 4, but the real assassination of the franchise came from studio interference and a director that barely spoke and couldn't read english.
That Whedon's script was terrible didn't exactly help.

Sorry, I know people like to absolve him for this one, and while he's not the only problem with this production (Jeunet is a genius, by-the-by, so it's a shame this didn't work out) he's definitely part of the problem.

I'm not absolving him of anything. :rolleyes: Hell, I'm with you that Alien 4 was crap. And I'm well aware of Jeunet's talent, but having a Whedon-written script, with his particualrly unique way with the english language, translated into french so the director knows what his job is, well there is going to be a lot lost in translation. And the studio demanded, IIRC, around a dozen re-writes of the ending, so even though he wrote the script to the studio's specifications and received the credit(?), this wasn't the story he originally tried to tell.
 
^ That's how it sounds. All of the previous films belong to different organizations - which is why we'll never have a box set of the films. They get the characters, the machines, the background story, but that's pretty much it. This was partially seen with TSCC and some of their changes.


There's another interested party from what I've read: Arnold himself has expressed an interest in purchasing them.

That might work, Arnold, I mean.
 
And the studio demanded, IIRC, around a dozen re-writes of the ending,

But even ignoring the ending, it's not a good script. That the script isn't good means that with an English language director and less studio tinkering the film would still be bad.

Look, there's no shame in turning in a crappy script. He's not god, and he's not the only geek icon to do so either. But let's not recast Alien 4 as the narrative where Whedon's really great potential for an Alien movie is crushed by everything around him.
 
All I've been trying to do is refute the notion that "Whedon (and Whedon alone) assassinated the franchise", that it was a group effort executed on many fronts. Let's just refer to it the "Alien conspiracy" and call it a day. ;)
 
^ That's how it sounds. All of the previous films belong to different organizations - which is why we'll never have a box set of the films. They get the characters, the machines, the background story, but that's pretty much it. This was partially seen with TSCC and some of their changes.


There's another interested party from what I've read: Arnold himself has expressed an interest in purchasing them.

That might work, Arnold, I mean.

I dunno. Several of the comedic scenes in T3 were directly because of Arnold (The star shaped sunglasses as the Strip Club and the 'Talk to the Hand' scenes to name two).
 
Cameron was a lot kinder to Terminator Salvation than a lot of fans and critics, and y'know, I have to agree with Cameron's assessment of the film. It wasn't the travesty that some fans made it out to be. I thought it was, to quote Cameron, quite "reverential" and "cool". However it did lack something that refrained it from being great or anywhere near the quality of the first two films.
 
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