Terminator Genisys..Official Trailer

[Turd Ferguson]

^ Skynet is just carrying out its programming.

"It saw all people as a threat, not just the ones on the other side. It decided our fate in a microsecond. Extermination." -Kyle Reese, The Terminator

Skynet isn't dreaming of a utopia for machines. It's simply carrying out what it was programmed to do. Eradicate threats. In this case, the entire human race. Once it's successful, perhaps then Skynet turns to the stars or the oceans and finds other threats to eradicate.

 

[Kemaiku]

I know, and in The Matrix, when humanity obliterates Zero One in the far east, the machines that survive march on humanity and wage war for years out of sheer revenge, but still create the power plant initially out of the need to survive and later to generate purpose in keeping their pets alive.

But really, if humans died, there's no war to fight, no pets to look after. It's just persistence in a dead world with no stimulus or purpose. They've destroyed it all, and I doubt even with it's technology it could repair the entire ecosphere.

Why not just send one Terminator back only a century more and spread a pathogen that is 100% lethal to humans and nothing else?

 

[SeerSGB]

looks like fun. I will see it.

And that's all that really matters for me in a Terminator movie: Fun and actiony.

I know, and in The Matrix, when humanity obliterates Zero One in the far east, the machines that survive march on humanity and wage war for years out of sheer revenge, but still create the power plant initially out of the need to survive and later to generate purpose in keeping their pets alive.

But really, if humans died, there's no war to fight, no pets to look after. It's just persistence in a dead world with no stimulus or purpose. They've destroyed it all, and I doubt even with it's technology it could repair the entire ecosphere.

Why not just send one Terminator back only a century more and spread a pathogen that is 100% lethal to humans and nothing else?

Some sort of temporal distance limit? Or they need something "fixed" (birth of John Connor) to lock on to. I don't think Terminator's time-travel rules have been explained all that well, or at all, in the movies.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Why not just send one Terminator back only a century more and spread a pathogen that is 100% lethal to humans and nothing else?

Skynet can't do that in the interests of self-preservation because humans have to be around to create Skynet.

 

[Corran Horn]

Or, it may not even be John Connor at all and is just the T-1000 mimicking him to get in good with Sarah and screw with Reese. They are infiltration units, after all.

I was thinking it might not even be a Terminator made by skynet but a third player in the war between machines and humans.

If you want to know...

Spoiler: What happens in Genisys

Matt Smith's character, posing as a Resistance soldier is the T-5000 -- a physical manifestation of Skynet made up of nanobots. When Connor and the Resistance send Reese back in time, the T-5000 reveals itself as a cloud of nano-terminators and kills everyone in the room except Connor, who he half-infects and makes a zombie nano-terminator himself; Reese watches Connor get turned into a Terminator from the inside out as he's beginning to be sent through time.

The main villain of the entire story is Connor the zombie nano-terminator. The trailer even spoils how they defeat Connor, using the MRI machine they're diagnosing Sarah's cancer with.

The film ends with Sarah and Kyle riding off into the sunset together with her not pregnant, in an attempt to break the cycle.

A friend of a friend is working on the trailers and commercials for this, and he said that Genisys is testing incredibly poorly and the decision was made from on-high to cut a trailer that basically showed the entire story just to see if it would be enough to get people interested on a "WTF" level.

At least the ending makes sense.

 

[SeerSGB]

Here's what I don't get: The goal is to stop Skynet? Right? So why not send a human back with some indisputable proof their from the future; classified passcodes, or personal info, something that can't be easily passed off as being a spy. Then simply explain that they need to change/shutdown Skynet. Or send someone back with a SD card under their skin, replace a key programer on the Skynet project, and upload a virus or self-destruct command to the system

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

they can only send something living or with living tissue to the past

 

[Captaindemotion]

Personally, I've started to think that this movie looks so ridiculous, OTT and crazy that it might just work.

 

[JarodRussell]

The casting absolutely ruins this movie.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Why not use that pathogen in 2027?

Because the radiation kills airborne pathogens?

And humans don't clump nor rapidly mingle globally between clumps anymore.

Skynet in the TV show sent a Terminator back to the 1930s to build a building it needed to win somehow.

It was funny because the Terminator paid Blacks, Whites, Asians, Native Americans and anyone else, Women too probably, the same wages for the same jobs which is still unheard of now, because he looked on them all as equally equal.

 

[SeerSGB]

they can only send something living or with living tissue to the past

Hence putting the SD card under the skin of the person going back.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Or, it may not even be John Connor at all and is just the T-1000 mimicking him to get in good with Sarah and screw with Reese. They are infiltration units, after all.

I was thinking it might not even be a Terminator made by skynet but a third player in the war between machines and humans.

If you want to know...

Spoiler: What happens in Genisys

Matt Smith's character, posing as a Resistance soldier is the T-5000 -- a physical manifestation of Skynet made up of nanobots. When Connor and the Resistance send Reese back in time, the T-5000 reveals itself as a cloud of nano-terminators and kills everyone in the room except Connor, who he half-infects and makes a zombie nano-terminator himself; Reese watches Connor get turned into a Terminator from the inside out as he's beginning to be sent through time.

The main villain of the entire story is Connor the zombie nano-terminator. The trailer even spoils how they defeat Connor, using the MRI machine they're diagnosing Sarah's cancer with.

The film ends with Sarah and Kyle riding off into the sunset together with her not pregnant, in an attempt to break the cycle.

A friend of a friend is working on the trailers and commercials for this, and he said that Genisys is testing incredibly poorly and the decision was made from on-high to cut a trailer that basically showed the entire story just to see if it would be enough to get people interested on a "WTF" level.

Well, they failed in my mind. I was going to see this in theaters until I saw the trailer. I was intrigued with the first trailer. I was curious as to how this would play out. Now I can tell it's just pure crap and the CGI is definitely worse than practical effects. I'll be skipping this and just stick to the first two movies.

 

[Timby]

Here's what I don't get: The goal is to stop Skynet? Right? So why not send a human back with some indisputable proof their from the future; classified passcodes, or personal info, something that can't be easily passed off as being a spy. Then simply explain that they need to change/shutdown Skynet. Or send someone back with a SD card under their sky, replace a key programer on the Skynet project, and upload a virus or self-destruct command to the system

Well, then you get into the question of the timelines (as originally established, Judgment Day isn't until 1997, and no one in the universe had a clue what an SD card might have been at that point, and I doubt in the future the Resistance had access to a CompactFlash or MultiMediaCard writer), and then you start thinking more about the time travel loops of the Terminator series and then you go cross-eyed.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Man, I really like Terminator a lot. It's probably one of my most favorite things next to Star Trek. But why does it seem like they can do no good? My theory is that the first was a really good movie that didn't need a sequel. Yes, T2 was highly entertaining, but only through the work of James Cameron and all the cutting edge stuff for the time. It only paved the way for a lot of mediocrity.

Everything since T2 has been pretty much a turd with the name Terminator on it (Turdinator?). And every time something new comes out, I want to be really excited for it, but I've been let down a lot. Is it just not possible to make a Terminator sequel that's good? Like an honestly good story, good actors, minimal gimmicks, and something that really captivates instead of a cash-grab dressed up in Terminator trappings? Because that's kind of what this feels like, especially given the pre-trailer reviews that said there really isn't a reason for the story in Genisys to be told.

I'm sure (or at least I hope) I'll find something good out of the movie as I managed to with the past couple, but I just wish that Terminator could be something great again.

Even though they said something along the lines that T5 was already in the works, somehow I just don't see that happening. Perhaps Terminator will be in limbo until the rights revert to James Cameron.

 

[Base_Delta_Zero]

Meh, I don't care how some focus group views a movie. Focus groups and test audiences uniformly suck donkey genitals. I'll decide on my own, thanks. I wish directors/producers would just come up with a story they want to tell in whatever genre and then just make that movie. Stop trying to please every possible demographic.

My 13 year old niece doesn't care about robots or a series that doesn't star a tortured pretty boy falling in love with the high school outcast. My grandmother is easily confused by timetravel mechanics and put off by violence. They are not your target audience. I am your target audience: a mid-thirties nerd who loves sci-fi, action, violence, Ah-nold, and has money to burn on your product. The only question is how many times am I going to see your movie in theatres and whether I'll buy the DVD or ancillary merchandise.

That said, Jai, chai or moca latte or whatever his lame ass name is -the guy playing Reese- is such a fucking charisma vacuum, I'm not expecting a whole hell of a lot. But then again, the junkie -I mean kid- from Judgement Day was horrible and annoying and that movie is awesome in spite of that, so who knows.

The great thing about the Terminator franchise is, if you don't like one of the movies or the TV show or the books or games or whatever, you can simply ignore it as an alternate timeline. The stories are all based around time travel (except for Salvation and some of the shittier video games set solely in the Future War). That means the older stuff can retcon the newer material or vice versa. They all happened! None of them happened!

 

[JarodRussell]

I think I will never get my Future War movie (in James Cameron night blue) with Arnold as war-torn human resistance fighter, and Michael Biehn as John Connor (mind blown).

 

[Base_Delta_Zero]

Now that would be awesome. I'd watch the shit out of that. It would make perfect sense, too, having a grizzled older Biehn, with facial scars working with grizzled, veteran Ah-nold. Set it during the Future War period shown in the first film, Ah-nold gets captured in an operation to save Reese, Reese doesn't see himself in John's face. They assault Skynet's last redoubt, smash its defense grid and then the weird temporal anomalies in the time machine complex allow for a scene where Reese and the Uncle Bob are sent back immediately following the original T-800 and T-1000. The climax would be John finally destroying the whole complex and killing Skynet after a cool man v. machine heroic speech.

You couldn't have the T-850 from Rise of the Machines, since that one is the one that killed John following the above events, after tricking him into thinking the resistance fighter Ah-nold had survived, and was reprogrammed and sent back by Katherine at some later point, when presumably a back-up of Skynet used a backup time machine to send the T-X back in a last -successful- bid to ensure its creation.

Or you just say T2 and this fantasy Future War movie erased T3. Whatever floats your boat.

 

[JarodRussell]

Speaking of war-torn, who the fuck thought it was a brilliant idea to cast a well-nutritioned body builder as Kyle Reese for T5? Those guys are supposed to live in a post-apocalyptic world, on the verge of extinction, eating radioactive rats - if they are lucky. But I guess the supply of steroids and nutrition supplements is endless even after the nuclear holocaust. Probably from where they got their silicone tits in ancient Rome as well.

 

[Kemaiku]

Why not use that pathogen in 2027?

Or that, or the remaining nukes, or an effective military campaign the likes of which a highly intelligent computer should be able to program.

Or lots of napalm, thermite, gamma radiation exposure to certain locations etc etc

The Avatar in Salvation seemed to imply Skynet is more than just aware, it's a complex mind knowing right from wrong, exactly what it's doing, and just doesn't care that it's evil.

 

[Base_Delta_Zero]

Maybe it will turn out this Reese is actually a Terminator that'll have to artificially inseminate Sarah this time, because T3 and Salvation led to an even more fucked up future, leading to the Old Ah-nold terminator in Sarah's childhood.

Or maybe THIS is the original timeline and the humans are all super buff during the original Future War and the first Terminator with scrawny Reese is the result of all of the other time travel shenanigans stemming from the events of this film! Protein powder gets erased from time or some shit.

Or maybe Jai has access to the Fulcrum from The Blacklist and that's how he keeps getting work.

EDIT: I haven't watched the new trailer because I'd rather be surprised by whatever craziness is actually going on in the film.