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Terminator-221 "Adam Raised a Cain" - Dicuss/Grade

Grade 221

  • "I'll be back." (Excellent)

    Votes: 73 76.8%
  • "Come with me if you want to live." (Above Average)

    Votes: 15 15.8%
  • "Thank you for explaining." (Average)

    Votes: 4 4.2%
  • "If we stay the course we are dead. We are all dead!" (Below Average)

    Votes: 2 2.1%
  • "You are TERMINATED." (Poor)

    Votes: 1 1.1%

  • Total voters
    95
Is next week's episode normal length or two hours?

I also thought that we were going to get closure for the basement mystery from earlier, but I can't see how they are going to fit that in now...
 
Maybe they are going with the idea that even for the terminators dying is a bad thing. That its even worse for them cause that last second takes what seems like 100's of years to actually die and that makes it worse for terminators. Thus Weaver is working on an anti skynet, or atleast a skynet that has more human thinking so it wont want to go to war with humans. thus saving the infinite deaths of thousands and thousands of terminators. Allowing them to peacfully co-exist or to exist coterminously...
I need a avatar of Bag lying there dead with a bullet between his eyes...Anyone got a screenshot?
 
**whistles** Wow. Not a bad episode at all — especially shocking was how Derek met his Maker. Sudden, to say the least.

Gatekeeper
 
Here's a link to the april fool's joke on the Terminator cast:

http://www.fox.com/fod/play.php?sh=tscc&ep=1238451167918

BAG and Thomas Dekker think the show should just be called "John." :lol:

i hate it how they wouldn't let Summer talk. I think a move to FX would be pretty cool, if its plundering on FOX. They would have more leighway with the violence, and well partially nude Cameron:drool:

But yeah, i thought it was a good episode and hope they reveal alot of answers next week. And if this is the series finale, I hope they don't end it like the Mortal Kombat: Konquest series where everybody gets killed off. In this case, everybody would get killed off except for john.
 
Ah, so it's all over next week?

Anyway, I do kind of like how Derek was killed... but it's that GI Joe thing that makes it incredulous - they get out of so many wacky situations that it seems almost unbelievable that they could be killed.

Still, I've liked how they tried to wrap up the last few story arcs anyway.
 
This is exceedingly minor annoyance in a very solid episode, but it bothered me when John Henry was watching the security footage, and there were hand-held camera shots thrown in there. Oh well. Still a very enjoyable hour of TV.
 
I really liked this episode, it was all good.

While I expected Derek to be dead by the end of the season I was surprised he was offed as quickly and nonchantly as he was.

The last few episodes have been great, just imagine how the season could have gone if these had been the episodes they started with after the mid season break, and the Sarah centric dullfest ones had never existed.. :(

Something that was very small in terms of on screen, but I thought was great for some reason, was how quickly Cameron caught and stopped John when he leapt at Ellison.

Now Derek is dead, and Sarah caught, I personally would be quite happy if she stayed in jail and any future season 3, if it gets it, focused on Cameron and John continuing onwards rather than breaking out Sarah and keeping her around. I think it would help John in his preparation for the futire, and on a personal note, I would find it so much more watchable.
 
I can't believe we're now to the final episode of the season and the main characters still haven't met Weaver yet. It's just unbelievable how much this storyline was stretched out into nothingness. I remember when 2X1 aired I was so excited because this season they would fight a T-1000... but they still haven't met her yet! Sigh.
 
I don't think they will be "fighting" Weaver, as the show has dropped some pretty big hints that Weaver is actively working against the interests of Skynet. Why else would John Henry's "brother" send a T-888 to kidnap, or presumably murder the daughter of the person Weaver is impersonating?

Another hint in the episode was that when Weaver was asked if John Henry was more important to her than Savannah, she replied "I believe Savannah's survival may someday depend upon John Henry's survival, and I believe that your survival may also depend upon John Henry's survival" - by extension, the survival of the human race might depend on the survival of John Henry, which more or less confirmed (to me at least) that John Henry is in fact Weaver's vision of an anti-Skynet.

I know we've seen Weaver kill people without remorse, but she obviously does have some sort of empathy for Savannah and humanity as a whole (her familiarity with our literature and mythology goes far beyond what would be required of a simple Terminator), and it may simply be the case that she's willing to sacrifice some lives for her greater goal of stopping Skynet.
 
excellent
i was shocked when Derek got it. in fact, i was surprised by mostly everything that happened in this ep. if next week is it, they got a lot a stuff to wrap up. I really hope this show gets a 3rd season. it's too damn good not to.
 
Here's a link to the april fool's joke on the Terminator cast:

http://www.fox.com/fod/play.php?sh=tscc&ep=1238451167918

BAG and Thomas Dekker think the show should just be called "John." :lol:

i hate it how they wouldn't let Summer talk.
Summer is actually a naturally reticent individual. She is always the least talkative in a group, allowing others to take the lead and do all the talking. Every time I've seen or heard her in a group, she very rarely volunteers comments, only answering the questions she's asked directly or invited to comment on. I would almost call her shy.
 
Really? Well, OK then. Accented, bee-kissed hotness besides, that bitch needed to be put down. I feel a little better.


I actually supported her. John cares more about machines in the future than he does people. I find that pathetic.

I think they are setting up the "why" of that. Everyone he gets close to dies. Given enough time he may choose not to surround himself with people to avoid that in the future.
 
Well, my first thought after Derek died was that he'd be brought back by the machines via him being turned into an... Infiltrator, I think it's called? But I'm warming up to the idea of a "Tasha Yar" style death rather than a "Locutus" style storyline.

And this episode was definitely a good'un. In fact, these last few episodes have made even this season's dullest episodes better.

ETA: Here you go DontFeedPhil.
 
So who had her arrested? Weaver?

The cop suspected Ellison. More than likely, Ellison was followed. He isn't the brightest of bulbs.


I was just thinking about something that was said that popped into my head:

During John Henry and Catherine Weaver talking about the story of Cain and Abel John Henry asks which brother he is and Weaver replies: "Perhaps you are God."

What if John Henry is meant to be the prototype. In the comics Skynet creates spinoffs of itself to oversee operations in other locations. For example in Russia Skynet is known as MIR.

I don't think so. I think that she meant he is God in the context of the Cain and Able story, with machines and humanity in general taking the role of the brothers. His choices will decide the fate of both.

Weaver is substantially more technologically advanced than John Henry, but she lacks something that he has, some metaphorical divine spark that separates a mere sapient robot from a real person, the difference between Pinocchio before and after his transformation. It isn't just that John Henry can learn, it is that he is, in some innate and indefinable way, better than she is, and she sees this. At this moment, she sees him as a child, and treats him as such, but she is grooming him to be her master, her lord, her king, and her god. She isn't telling him what to do, she's allowing him to make his own decisions according to his best understanding, and is encouraging him to do so. I think, her only real problem is that she doesn't trust him enough to tell him the whole truth, right now. This is a problem.

Ellison and Weaver are idiots for this one reason. Full disclosure, to John Henry and to the Connors, would avoid potentially destructive conflict. Their desire to avoid conflict is just making it more or less inevitable.

I'm still wondering why they don't carry around LAWs where ever they go. A lightweight anti-tank rocket or two would be extremely useful against Terminators. Their reliance on pistols is kind of silly given what they know they'll be up against.

I'm also kind of disappointed that Cameron ran and left Sarah behind, when she could have easily turned the streets into a river of blood. I understand that there are good reasons for the retreat, but it would have been cool is see her engaged in wholesale slaughter. She's a terminator, it's what she's made for.

But overall, it was the best in the season, even though I wanted to jump up and slap some sense into the characters all episode.

I do, however, think that they could improve the ratings by implementing my suggestions of more violence and explosions. Specifically, rocket launchers, lots of rockets launchers, and Cameron with a minigun.
 
You know what would be a really cool ending if the series doesn't get renewed?
John Connor and Cameron break into Zeriracorp, armed with explosives, planning to destroy John Henry. Cameron keeps Weaver busy while John infiltrates the basement server room. As he's taking the explosives out of his dufflebag, but before he can arm them, Future John (played by Dekker in makeup) steps into the room, draws a gun, points it at John's head, appoligizes, and pulls the trigger. Gunshot. Cut to black.
 
You know what would be a really cool ending if the series doesn't get renewed?
John Connor and Cameron break into Zeriracorp, armed with explosives, planning to destroy John Henry. Cameron keeps Weaver busy while John infiltrates the basement server room. As he's taking the explosives out of his dufflebag, but before he can arm them, Future John (played by Dekker in makeup) steps into the room, draws a gun, points it at John's head, appoligizes, and pulls the trigger. Gunshot. Cut to black.
I'm sorry, but that doesn't make much sense. I also doubt that Dekker would look convincing in makeup.
 
Future John from the new post-John Henry timeline realizes that John Henry was created to stop Skynet and prevent Judgement Day, and thus his destruction of John Henry was the direct cause of Judgemnt Day. In order to correct this error, he goes back in time himself to commit retroactive suicide, thus saving the world. It makes perfect sense.
 
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