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Terminator-214 "The Good Wound" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS>

Grade Terminator-214 "The Good Wound"


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^ Personality, her comments to her daughter's counselor that she enjoyed the smell of blood, the inability to smile.

Yeah, from a human perspective, maybe. Although that could just be crazy lady talk. I meant that a terminator should be able to pick out a T-1000 pretty readily in many ways. Like if they have infrared vision, perhaps the T-1000 doesn't generate heat, or at least not at all in the same way as a human. That seems to make a lot more sense than being able to see inside the eyes.
 
^ It's possible, but we don't know how much of Cromartie's systems John Henry can access. We do know that the Series 888 can do scans to see if something is a terminator. Vick did this in season one while fighting Cameron. Cameron did this in season one to determine if Carter was Cromartie. She later did this was Laslo.
 
This episode didn't really do it for me. Too many cheesy references to T1. They almost seemed fanboyish the way they were repeating dialogue. Everything else seemed pointless, and a lot of the plot devices were really convoluted. The only interesting parts were with Weaver, I thought.

Well, given that Sarah and Kyle had so little time together in T1, I would expect her delusion-infused memories would be comprised mainly of the words they said to each other over the course of the movie.

I didn't find the plot convoluted at all, though I would like to see some resolution of existing plot threads to avoid the "Twin Peaks" effect. I think we're getting this with the extent of Weaver's activities finally being revealed (partially).

EDIT: And, upon re-watching the episode, a few observations.

Shouldn't Sarah's healed shoulder wound be on the right?

Cameron has a new leather jacket.

Lena Headey showed some good acting chops this episode.

Shirley Manson pulls off the "creepy future robot" vibe quite well.
 
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^ It's possible, but we don't know how much of Cromartie's systems John Henry can access. We do know that the Series 888 can do scans to see if something is a terminator. Vick did this in season one while fighting Cameron. Cameron did this in season one to determine if Carter was Cromartie. She later did this was Laslo.

She detected Cromartie by his proportions via reference points, like profiler software. I'm not sure what Vick did would work against a T-1000 since they mimic everything down to the nano scale, though it's not clear if that's only on the surface or all the way through. Regardless, Weaver seamed surprised that she'd been detected by an earlier model. Logically she should already know if a T-888 could see right through her disguise.
 
Isn't Cameron more advanced than the T-888s?

I gave this episode excellent btw. Loved it all and just so glad the show is back. Very pleased to see Weaver go a-terminating at last!
 
Or she is manipulating Jesse into thinking that it was part of the plan and she really did want to die. Also likely because we've seen some of her outbursts in Season 2.0 (threatening her Foster Parent for example).

I'm leaning towards this interpretation, though it might not be intentional manipulation, but rather Riley covering so that Jesse isn't too angry with her. We've already seen Jesse smack Riley around a bit, so I suspect Riley is scared of displeasing Jesse.
I'm equally leaning to that interpretation. Riley managed to turn a bad situation partially into her advantage, and she both avoids displeasing Jesse too much and she gets attention from her at the same time.

Regarding Weaver, what a cool scene when the director first lingered on the urinal (we expect it to be Weaver), then the basin, then the mirror (we expect to see Weaver coming up from behind) ... and then she just does a "walk-by killing". Some people hate Shirley Manson on the show, but I just loved every scene with her in this episode (and most of what she did in S2.0 as well).

I'm still not sure what her game is though. She is collecting coltan, and "everything she does, she does for John Henry". But why does she want JH to be taught by Ellison, then? Ellison and her other assistant got a narrow escape, by the way. If JH had told them about Weaver...

I also really liked Derek in this episode; very competent, and he also managed nicely to thrown John's words back at him. Cameron was a bit cold this time around, she missed a chance to "support" John and talk about his future self. Loved the scene with Riley, John and Cameron, though.

Some parts with Sarah did drag a little, but it is the Sarah Connor Chronicles, I suppose. All in all I voted above average. Pity the ratings are so bad; I so want that third season. What is the remaining chance for that? Could WB really go to another network if the worst happens or is that chance very low?
 
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Or she is manipulating Jesse into thinking that it was part of the plan and she really did want to die. Also likely because we've seen some of her outbursts in Season 2.0 (threatening her Foster Parent for example).

I'm leaning towards this interpretation, though it might not be intentional manipulation, but rather Riley covering so that Jesse isn't too angry with her. We've already seen Jesse smack Riley around a bit, so I suspect Riley is scared of displeasing Jesse.


I'm still not sure what her game is though. She is collecting coltan, and "everything she does, she does for John Henry". But why does she want JH to be teached by Ellison, then? Ellison and her other assistant got a narrow escape, by the way. If JH had told them about Weaver...


*A-hem* t-a-u-g-h-t.
 
Isn't Cameron more advanced than the T-888s?

I gave this episode excellent btw. Loved it all and just so glad the show is back. Very pleased to see Weaver go a-terminating at last!

We don't know that for a fact. All we know is that Vick didn't recognise her series or model, which was probably because she was custom built to mimic a specific human.
 
Well, given that Sarah and Kyle had so little time together in T1, I would expect her delusion-infused memories would be comprised mainly of the words they said to each other over the course of the movie.

That was supposed to be like 17 years ago, though, right? Can you remember exact phrases someone said to you 17 years ago? To this level? Word for word and every phrase? I'd find it more believable if she had forgotten his face seeing as she only knew him for a couple of days, but I'm probably expecting too much in terms of being realistic. It would be much more impressive to me if she did forget.
 
Was anyone else a bit confused when Trip turned out to be a bad guy at the end? Maybe my mind was wandering during the ep (the Sarah parts were awfully boring), but when he got all nasty and then the doc shot him, I was dumbfounded. I guess I get it now that he abused the doc or something, but wtf? Why would he be pointing a gun at her? I liked the ep much better when I thought they were actually going to have a competent small-town cop who could be a potential recurring character and then BLAM! there goes that plan.
 
^ I was kind of sad about that too. He was good in the role, and it would have been nice to keep him around.

As I watched this week, I found myself amazed that the show has lasted this long. Not that I'm complaining - I find it quite compelling - but I guess it just kind of hit me how this is SO not "hit show" material.
 
^ You really have to pay attention to it and I think that keeps some people away. Also, some expect it to be like the films and one long chase but it really isn't.
 
Isn't Cameron more advanced than the T-888s?

I gave this episode excellent btw. Loved it all and just so glad the show is back. Very pleased to see Weaver go a-terminating at last!

We don't know that for a fact. All we know is that Vick didn't recognise her series or model, which was probably because she was custom built to mimic a specific human.

Cameron's specifications haven't been revealed yet. The only thing we have to go off of is from promotional posters that identify her as T0K-715, but that could mean anything. Skynet's units are classified either by Series or T-whatever.

There are some people that believe we have seen Cameron's endoskeleton though in Allison From Palmdale, but Cameron has blue eyes while that terminator had red.
 
Regarding Weaver, what a cool scene when the director first lingered on the urinal (we expect it to be Weaver), then the basin, then the mirror (we expect to see Weaver coming up from behind) ... and then she just does a "walk-by killing". Some people hate Shirley Manson on the show, but I just loved every scene with her in this episode (and most of what she did in S2.0 as well).

I'm still not sure what her game is though. She is collecting coltan, and "everything she does, she does for John Henry". But why does she want JH to be taught by Ellison, then? Ellison and her other assistant got a narrow escape, by the way. If JH had told them about Weaver...

I wonder sometimes if they are going to go with a storyline where John Henry believes he was sent to Earth by God as an avenging angel to punish humanity for our sins. Ellison is deeply religious according to things we've seen in Season One and its possible that John Henry may begin to see parallels to himself in the bible.

Pity the ratings are so bad; I so want that third season. What is the remaining chance for that? Could WB really go to another network if the worst happens or is that chance very low?

Fox has admitted that they DO count DVR and online viewing for TSCC so lets keep watching it online. I've heard rumors they are considering moving it to CW if Fox terminates it. Warner Brothers is the company that produces it so it is likely and - honestly - they can't afford the negative press of TSCC being cancelled right when T4 comes to the theatres.

Also an upcoming episode will make reference to Project Angel

Project Angel is from Terminator: Salvation.
 
Regarding Weaver, what a cool scene when the director first lingered on the urinal (we expect it to be Weaver), then the basin, then the mirror (we expect to see Weaver coming up from behind) ... and then she just does a "walk-by killing". Some people hate Shirley Manson on the show, but I just loved every scene with her in this episode (and most of what she did in S2.0 as well).

I liked that bit of directorial subterfuge as well. As a result, we are totally surprised by the almost incidental nature of the killing.

Well, given that Sarah and Kyle had so little time together in T1, I would expect her delusion-infused memories would be comprised mainly of the words they said to each other over the course of the movie.

That was supposed to be like 17 years ago, though, right? Can you remember exact phrases someone said to you 17 years ago? To this level? Word for word and every phrase? I'd find it more believable if she had forgotten his face seeing as she only knew him for a couple of days, but I'm probably expecting too much in terms of being realistic. It would be much more impressive to me if she did forget.

Given the intensity of their relationship, I'd be surprised if Sarah didn't have detailed memories of it. Even so, it was pretty clear she half-forgot future John Connor's message to her via Kyle.

Was anyone else a bit confused when Trip turned out to be a bad guy at the end?

They dropped plenty of hints, establishing the connection between Trip and the doctor early on and with the doctor repeatedly explaining how she "understands" domestic violence.

Pity the ratings are so bad; I so want that third season. What is the remaining chance for that? Could WB really go to another network if the worst happens or is that chance very low?
Fox has admitted that they DO count DVR and online viewing for TSCC so lets keep watching it online. I've heard rumors they are considering moving it to CW if Fox terminates it. Warner Brothers is the company that produces it so it is likely and - honestly - they can't afford the negative press of TSCC being cancelled right when T4 comes to the theatres.[/quote]

The CW?! :eek: That really would be a last gasp, considering that quasi-netlet's track record.
 
Also an upcoming episode will make reference to Project Angel

Project Angel is from Terminator: Salvation.

Nice, which episode is that? I haven't seen it in spoilers so far but I really want this to be true..
 
^ Some Must Watch, While Some Must Sleep

Haunted by nightmares of the man she killed in the factory, Sarah checks in to a sleep clinic. When suspicious things begin happening, Sarah suspects Skynet may be using the facility for brain-mapping.
 
I just totally forgot that Ellis was basically all about Jesus. I just find it annoying that the only way morality can be taught to a machine is through Christianity. At least they've stopped quoting scripture.

Why should this be a problem?

Yup, it's not the "only" way. It's just the way this story happens to be unfolding.

If I recall in the 2nd movie, Arnold was NOT being taught morality by scripture. But by skateboarder ethics. See? There's room for it all.

I would find it wonderfully ironic if Skynet ends up wiping out humanity because it was following the book of Revelations or some such.
 
I wonder sometimes if they are going to go with a storyline where John Henry believes he was sent to Earth by God as an avenging angel to punish humanity for our sins. Ellison is deeply religious according to things we've seen in Season One and its possible that John Henry may begin to see parallels to himself in the bible.
I can see something like that happening. Ellison would be doing the devils work, bigtime! However, it would be rather close to what happened in BSG, where we already have a bunch of (organic) "robots" that kill largely for religious reasons.

Fox has admitted that they DO count DVR and online viewing for TSCC so lets keep watching it online. I've heard rumors they are considering moving it to CW if Fox terminates it. Warner Brothers is the company that produces it so it is likely and - honestly - they can't afford the negative press of TSCC being cancelled right when T4 comes to the theatres.
I hope so, it looks like we will be dying to get an S3 after the S2 finale, going by some comments from the cast. I am trying to use Hotspotshield to watch it on FOX, but while I can get past the check now and I get the player interface, it still won't play.
 
excellent
i thought this ep was fantastic. I can't find anything to complain about in this one. Cromartie playing with action figures kicked ass.
 
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