Temporal Violations of Jean Luc Picard

[Dingo]

I wonder just how many Temporal Violations Picard had under his belt:

* I know of Time's Arrow where Data's head was discovered in a cave under San Francisco.

* I'm not sure if the alternate reality created by Q in Tapestry counts but I'll consider it as well.

Anyone know of any others?

I've got a fanfic for TNG in mind that involves Picard under investigation by the Department of Temporal Investigation and I just want to make sure that I have his temporal violations down right.

 

[Unicron]

Well, that assumes that Q was really in "Tapestry" at all, and that what Picard perceived as Q wasn't perhaps a representation of his own psyche. The nature of the story allows for either one.

I've never been a huge fan of such "temporal" departments myself. I just think they're silly and I don't trust the good guys to be infallibly responsible with some of the technology we've seen on Trek.

 

[shivkala]

First Conact would be a major violation, I should think...

 

[Dingo]

I know but the setting of my story is in 2370 - three years before the events of First Contact.

 

[AdmiralGarak]

Picard's violations:
Time Squared
Yesterday's Enterprise (Once Starfleet Intelligence started looking into Sela's background.)
Cause and Effect
Time's Arrow, parts 1 & 2 (Investigator: "You brought WHO aboard your ship!?" )
Timescape


Other people's violations that Picard would be on record for:
We'll Always have Paris
Captain's Holiday
A Matter of Time
Firstborn


I didn't include Q-related shenanigans or the two TNG movies with time travel.

 

[SonicRanger]

Is "Generations" too late for your story?

 

[AdmiralGarak]

According to Memory Alpha, he has it set in or after Season 7.

 

[Dingo]

Yeah. I set it before the events of All Good Things.

 

[Finn]

Picard's violations:

Time's Arrow, parts 1 & 2 (Investigator: "You brought WHO aboard your ship!?" )

Picard didn't bring him on the ship. He was still in 19th Century San Francisco. Blame Riker for beaming him up.

 

[The Castellan]

You call them violations, I just call them doing the right things.

 

[AdmiralGarak]

You call them violations, I just call them doing the right things.

Yeah, but we're talking about same organization whose agents called James T. Kirk a menace because of his temporal 'violations'.

 

[Crewman47]

Can Picard really be blamed for Sela though as it wasn't really Picard but a double from an alternate universe/timeline? That's like you taking the blame for your double going back in time, killing someone important who won't exist in the current timeline.

 

[Tom Riley]

Um... Cause and Effect? What kind of possible temporal violations can come from being stuck in a time loop? They were still moving forward through time, they were just repeating themselves... And as for the ship from the past emerging from the anomaly, Picard didn't do that, there were no temporal violations in that episode...

The same goes for Timescape. So there were pockets of space that were moving at different rates of time due to a fragmentation because of something his ship did on accident because some aliens were breeding in the romulan engine and they hit it with a power transfer. He stopped his ship from doing it and fixed the fragmentation of time, but there was no violation there, he didn't travel back in time or anything and change history or muck about with the timeline.

Just because an episode has something to do with time doesn't mean it is an automatic violation....

 

[Dingo]

I see your point Tom Riley but I think if an episode has something to do with time travel it at least warranted an investigation. Now whether it's a violation or not would be another story.

Speaking of stories I just started the fic I was referring to writing. Click here to read.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

Alright, space-time continuim... show the court where Captain Picard touched you.

 

[Alrik]

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You have an interesting 'read' going on there Dingo. I'll be interested to see where you go with it.

 

[Tom Riley]

I see your point Tom Riley but I think if an episode has something to do with time travel it at least warranted an investigation. Now whether it's a violation or not would be another story.

Speaking of stories I just started the fic I was referring to writing. Click here to read.

Alright, I can understand that. They know something happened with time being all screwy so they'd want to investigate to see if there was a violation or not.

 

[Admiral Shran]

Picard's violations:
Time Squared
Yesterday's Enterprise (Once Starfleet Intelligence started looking into Sela's background.)
Cause and Effect
Time's Arrow, parts 1 & 2 (Investigator: "You brought WHO aboard your ship!?" )
Timescape


Other people's violations that Picard would be on record for:
We'll Always have Paris
Captain's Holiday
A Matter of Time
Firstborn


I didn't include Q-related shenanigans or the two TNG movies with time travel.

"A Matter of Time" is a clear example of a temporal violation on Picard's part. He knowingly refused to allow a time travler to return to his own century and deprived him of any possible means of later doing so.

At the end of the episode, Rasmussen says "Just let me back in there (his time ship) and we'll forget the whole thing." Too which Picard replies "Now what possible incentive could anyone offer me to allow that?!"

In your fanfic, Temporal Investigations could say something along the lines of "Berlinghoff Rasmussen was a roommate and confidant of Jonathan Archer at MIT. By refusing to allow him to return to the twenty-second century you seriously altered Archer's life and, therefore, seriously altered the founding of the Federation." Or, "Berlinghoff Rasmussen was the great-great-great-great grandfather of one Beverly Crusher." If he hadn't fathered her great-great-great grandfather as of yet, that would also be a fairly good incentive, IMO.

 

[T'Girl]

First Conact would be a major violation, I should think...

An interesting theory on First Contact that I first heard last summer, in the conferance lounge behind the bridge of both the enterprise D and E there is a wall with models of earlier Enterprise's. Up to and including First Contact, Archer's Enterprise wasn't present on the wall.

Original timeline, not only wasn't the first of Earth's big NX explorers named Enterprise, none of the big NX explorers were. That is why the Enterprises on the lounge wall didn't include that particular model. During First Contact someone told Zefram Cochrane that the name of their ship was Enterprise, years later Cochrane used his historical position to get that name on the first NX class ship.

That's why there is a NX class on the lounge wall during Nemesis.

 

[Tom Riley]

^ That is a very interesting idea...