Temporal Agents in nuTrek

[wulfio]

This never occurred to me before, but in the newest trek, we usually got some temporal agents making sure the timeline plays out like it's supposed to.

So when spock goes back in time with a Romulan ship in tow, and the Romulans start going hari-kari on the 23rd century, shouldn't they have maybe stepped in or something to prevent all of that?

 

[YellowSubmarine]

No worthy temporal agent would ever messes with Captain Robau.

 

[xavier]

This never occurred to me before, but in the newest trek, we usually got some temporal agents making sure the timeline plays out like it's supposed to.

So when spock goes back in time with a Romulan ship in tow, and the Romulans start going hari-kari on the 23rd century, shouldn't they have maybe stepped in or something to prevent all of that?

I do not think anything can prevent that. in the whole of trek, the law seems to be that any little tampering with time regardless of how small it is atomically creates an alternate reality. where the future will no longer be fixed. So even if you try and prevent something, the outcome may not be what you expected if you came to the future to do so.

data explains this well in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lJyFBkhRYk

 

[Kemaiku]

Or the change in the timeline simply resulted in a series of situations that removed all temporal agencies from the timeline altogether.

 

[Ovation]

Or the change in the timeline simply resulted in a series of situations that removed all temporal agencies from the timeline altogether.

We can only hope.

 

[wulfio]

Or the change in the timeline simply resulted in a series of situations that removed all temporal agencies from the timeline altogether.

Except that they always predict temporal anomalies.

I do not think anything can prevent that. in the whole of trek, the law seem to be that any little tampering with time regardless of how small it is atomically crates an alternate reality. where the future will no longer be fixed. So even if you try and prevent something, the outcome may not be what you expected if you came to the future to do so.

data explains this well in this vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lJyFBkhRYk

I know what string theory is. This was a result of tampering with the timeline, in established canon where this sort of tampering was not possible. It's not a situation of I turned left instead of right.

It is also not sustainable. Since the conditions that allowed that specific romulan ship to go back in time, most assuredly will not be present in the nuTrek timeline; especially with nuSpocks knowledge of the who what where when and why. Thus the cycle would end and we'd get prime universe back.

 

[The Wormhole]

This never occurred to me before, but in the newest trek, we usually got some temporal agents making sure the timeline plays out like it's supposed to.

So when spock goes back in time with a Romulan ship in tow, and the Romulans start going hari-kari on the 23rd century, shouldn't they have maybe stepped in or something to prevent all of that?

According to Mr. Daniels on Enterprise, the Xindi attack wasn't part of his recorded history, yet he didn't do anything to prevent that. So clearly they aren't too alarmed over changes to the timeline.

Or maybe Abrams and the Bad Robot posse want to forget about Enterprise's Temporal Cold War and all the baggage brought with it. One of their better ideas, perhaps. IDW will eventually deal with this, I'm sure.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I think it's fair to say that as far as the new movies are concerned, time cops don't exist. Considering Daniels' utter incompetence in "Shockwave" where he accidentally destroyed all of history, it's entirely possible they erased themselves somewhere along the way!

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

There's no way for any temporal agents in the prime timeline to know about the Abramsverse. For all anyone in "prime" knows, Spock Prime and Nero disappeared and were never seen again. No one could ever find out where (or when) they went.

This is because of the unique rules established regarding the creation of the Abramsverse. It's an alternate timeline that exists alongside the old; it doesn't overwrite the old. If the latter, then maybe the time cops could have found out. But they didn't.

 

[Set Harth]

If the latter, then maybe the time cops could have found out.

If they weren't overwritten, that is.

Since the conditions that allowed that specific romulan ship to go back in time, most assuredly will not be present in the nuTrek timeline; especially with nuSpocks knowledge of the who what where when and why. Thus the cycle would end and we'd get prime universe back.

I don't see how that follows. We're not getting the prime universe back.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Let's not forget those idiots who work for Temporal Starfleet we saw in VOY "Future's End" and "Relativity". Like Daniels, I think Temporal agents cause more problems than they solve by interfering.

 

[wulfio]

If the latter, then maybe the time cops could have found out.

If they weren't overwritten, that is.

Since the conditions that allowed that specific romulan ship to go back in time, most assuredly will not be present in the nuTrek timeline; especially with nuSpocks knowledge of the who what where when and why. Thus the cycle would end and we'd get prime universe back.

I don't see how that follows. We're not getting the prime universe back.

I'm not saying we are. It is nerd talk. If the abramsverse was created because a set of variables that existed in the prime universe, would that now mean that in abramsverse, the set of conditions that led to its creation no longer exist. Therefore, would the abramsverse cease to exist when it reaches the point in time where Spock was supposed to travel back in time with the Romulans. Is it all just a paradox?

 

[Kemaiku]

There's no way for any temporal agents in the prime timeline to know about the Abramsverse. For all anyone in "prime" knows, Spock Prime and Nero disappeared and were never seen again. No one could ever find out where (or when) they went.

Thats exactly how "Watching the Clock" handles the situation.

The DTI knows about the Abramsverse and simply let it be, since the Prime Universe continues on it's way.

We the audience, will never see the Prime one again, which means we'll never see the DTI again either.

 

[Set Harth]

Therefore, would the abramsverse cease to exist when it reaches the point in time where Spock was supposed to travel back in time with the Romulans.

No. That does not follow.

Is it all just a paradox?

No, the time travel mechanics depicted in ST09 are paradox-free.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The 23rd Century is a Temporal Agent free zone. We never saw one in TOS.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The 23rd Century is a Temporal Agent free zone. We never saw one in TOS.

The DTI of the prime timeline hadn't been formed until shortly after TOS either, I don't think.

 

[wulfio]

Therefore, would the abramsverse cease to exist when it reaches the point in time where Spock was supposed to travel back in time with the Romulans.

No. That does not follow.

Is it all just a paradox?

No, the time travel mechanics depicted in ST09 are paradox-free.

Do you care to elaborate with an actual explanation that elicits discussion? Or is no all you are capable of, and then I can promptly put you on ignore?

I have a feeling you're more gun ho about defending the abramsverse than having an exchange.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ The explanation is this: The Abramsverse exists alongside the original timeline. It does not replace or overwrite it in any way. Nobody in either timeline is even aware of the other. Parallel lines, as it were.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

^^ What Mr. Laserbeam said. Also the TNG episode "Parallels" already demonstrated parallel universes existing in Star Trek.

 

[Set Harth]

Or is no all you are capable of, and then I can promptly put you on ignore?

Please don't throw me in dat briar patch!