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Temis the Vorta

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Tomorrow is NBC's big announcement of their latest attempt to raise the Titanic after it's split in two and is halfway to the bottom of the Atlantic, but here's a tidbit to kick things off: Showtime greenlights The Borgias.

While I'm happy to see anything in the criminally underrepresented historical fiction genre, it irks me that this is a "replacement" for The Tudors. Why the frak can't that series continue after Henry XIII's death? The story is still interesting. Then they could do a "prequel" focusing on Henry XII. The only Tudor they should ignore is Elizabeth, because that story has been done to death and then some. Henry XII is new material for most folks.

For The Borgias, I wanna see Zachary Quinto cast in one of the roles. Right looks, right 'tude. :rommie:
 
^The Borgias could be interesting. I admit, I'm a lot less familiar with them than the Tudors! I wouldn't mind seeing the Tudors continue past Henry's death--I'd like to see Mary on the throne and I wouldn't mind seeing Elizabeth's reign covered, but the point that it's been done before and then some is definitely a valid one.

I'll be interested to see what news comes out of the TCAs. I do hope NBC gives the 10pm hour back to scripted television. :p
 
CW president Dawn Ostroff, is mulling over a 10th season for Smallville.
“I’m really pleased with the show,” she says. “Creatively, I think they’ve done a great job. And the ratings are [strong] on Friday night. I have to commend [the producers]… It’s not easy in season 9 to keep a show fresh. And you know what I think? The fans have really liked the show this season.
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http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/01/09/smallville-season-10-a-done-deal/
 
Any of the TV critics have a podcast? The only one I've found that I can listen to basically takes the whole TCAs off.
 
The Borgias remade, eh? Jeremy Irons replacing Adolfo Celi should be interesting

Let me know when they get doing The Cleopatras, which was damn near pornographic first time around, and should be even more so these days!

But they better never remake I Claudius
 
NBC greenlights six drama pilots. Blergh. They still don't get it. They are going to have to step out of the standard cop/detective/spy comfort zone and do something risky before they will have a shot at getting the hit(s) they need to save their asses.

The only one of the lineup that might be fun, depending on the approach, is Event.

Of the the slots they have left to fill, only Midnighters sounds intriguing:

"Drama about the strange happenings in the town of bixby, oklahoma where every night time freezes for one hour, leaving the townsfolk prey to various dark creatures, except for four teen outcasts."

NBC plans to order 10 drama pilots for next season, leaving a few slots left for contenders like "Midnighters," based on the Alloy book series, and the Dick Wolf-produced "Sam & Twitch." NBC also is developing a Los Angeles-set "Law & Order" series eyed for fall.
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This just confirms my opinion of the networks: they're not where the interesting ideas are going to come from.
 
Temis the Vorta said:
While I'm happy to see anything in the criminally underrepresented historical fiction genre, it irks me that this is a "replacement" for The Tudors. Why the frak can't that series continue after Henry XIII's death? The story is still interesting. Then they could do a "prequel" focusing on Henry XII. The only Tudor they should ignore is Elizabeth, because that story has been done to death and then some. Henry XII is new material for most folks.
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Yeah, I also wondered why the show is even called "the Tudors" when it's all about Henry VIII. (btw your roman numerals are messed up ;))
 
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Temis the Vorta said:
While I'm happy to see anything in the criminally underrepresented historical fiction genre, it irks me that this is a "replacement" for The Tudors. Why the frak can't that series continue after Henry XIII's death? The story is still interesting. Then they could do a "prequel" focusing on Henry XII. The only Tudor they should ignore is Elizabeth, because that story has been done to death and then some. Henry XII is new material for most folks.
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Yeah, I also wondered why the show is even called "the Tudors" when it's all about Henry VIII. (btw your roman numerals are messed up ;))
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Oops. Well I was talking about the sci fi version of The Tudors. :rommie:

More TCA News:

Is Heroes getting another season??? :wtf:

No decision has been made on a Heroes renewal, but NBC prez Angela Bromstad says she’s pleased with the show’s ratings performance at 8 and series creator Tim Kring is “pitching out his view of the next season.”
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The Tudors.....bah. :scream:

I still say if they'd told the real story of the Tudors it would have made for a fascinating series, from the War of the Roses that started it all in the late 15th century, from Henry VII's impossibly manipulative mother Margaret Beaufort who'd been impregnated by Henry's father at the age of 12, to Henry defeating Richard to stake his shaky claim to the throne of England, to the birth of Arthur, Margaret, Henry [VIII] and Mary and--finally--the real story of Catherine of Aragon's marriage to Arthur. Arthur was not a sickly child who was too sick to consummate his marriage. The one existing portrait of him shows that he was naturally thin. That is the only "evidence." Thin doesn't equal ill. He was a 14 year old boy when it was painted. It's a total myth that he was sickly; many people, young and old, became ill and died of flu like illness. He and Catherine were both ill right before he died--Arthur was merely unlucky. It was probably the sweating sickness that struck the English countryside every couple of years. Even the Spanish representatives of Ferdinand and Isabella's court who visited England while he was a child were impressed with Arthur, thought he was smart and healthy. Letters to that effect still exist in historical Spanish archives. Their existence hasn't been widely known until recently.

Of course Arthur and Catherine slept together. Yes, Catherine of Aragon lied. Some cannot accept that, but it makes sense that she lied. What doesn't make sense is that she and Arthur never slept together. Her lying at the behest of her duenna so she'd be a more desirable choice of wife for Henry VII's younger son is what makes sense. Yes, she was a good woman but she wasn't going to publicly declare her daughter Mary a bastard and give her birthright away to Anne Boleyn's daughter. She was a mother first. That saga--and the seven years of Catherine's widowhood before she married Henry after falling head over heels in love with him and having to endure poverty in the interim--now that would have been a hell of a story instead of watching Jonathan Rhys Meyers' effeminate preening as a completely unbelievable Henry. Catherine and Arthur had been very fond of each other, but they were babies when they married and then he died. We'll never know what would have happened. She was a 23 year old woman when she married Henry as opposed to a month shy of being 16 year old girl when she was first married. There's seven years worth of story and a legitimate love story. Henry did love her very much once upon a time. There's 20 years of story if you start with Henry VII's defeat of Richard. What did Showtime give us? Soft core porn? Give me REAL history.
 
The story after Henry VIII's death would have been interesting to make into a tv show too; lots of war and betrayal etc.
 
The Tudors should continue without that dumb fucker Jonathan Rhys Meyers, he is the only reason the show is ending this season.

Speaking of dump fuckers why everyone at NBC isn't fired by now is shocking. There new shows sound like the same old shit no one watches. If no one watches then they need to find a cult following like Pushing Daisies or something, at least that way the network is talked about without the words " incredibly stupid" in the same sentence.

Also Byran Fuller is supposed to have two new shows being developed for NBC and nothing about those?
 
The Tudors should continue without that dumb fucker Jonathan Rhys Meyers, he is the only reason the show is ending this season.
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Doesn't Henry VIII die at the end of the current season anyway? Hope that's not a spoiler. :rommie:

If anyone cares, Day One is now just a TV movie. Based on the clip we saw way back when, shorter is no doubt lots better.

Also Byran Fuller is supposed to have two new shows being developed for NBC and nothing about those?
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Not a word about either. One was No Kill about a no kill animal shelter. Bit of a limited topic there. The other was Sellevision - more promising, about a home shopping channel.
 
Temis the Vorta said:
The Tudors should continue without that dumb fucker Jonathan Rhys Meyers, he is the only reason the show is ending this season.
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Doesn't Henry VIII die at the end of the current season anyway? Hope that's not a spoiler. :rommie:
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What season is "currant"? There is no current season, there is the past and the up coming.

The point is that the show was going to have five seasons, but asshole Jonathan Rhys Meyers said he didn't want to do two more years, and they made a deal to end it this year.

Why would ever want to stay on a show in which all he does is have sex with women... oh maybe he is... never-mind.... :)
 
I agree, start it with Henry VII.
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:techman: Henry the elder is really overshadowed because of his son's numerous marriages. Henry VII had a fascinating life and a perilous road to the throne, which he literally won in battle. Plus his mother was a possessive basket case who would have made for a fascinating character in and of herself. She was so damaged internally by the Henry's birth when she was so young that she couldn't bear any more children. All her energies and obsessions were focused on him. Yes, royals and minor royals could be legally married off at 12, but most marriages weren't consummated when the female was that young. It's really creepy that hers was.

As far as the show continuing without Henry, the whole sad business with Lady Jane Grey's execution and would be battle with Mary for the throne, Edward's death at a young age, Thomas Seymour's marriage to Catherine Parr and his flirtation with/abuse of a 13 year old Elizabeth would all be excellent dramatic fodder. Couldn't go too far into Elizabeth's life since the merging of Henry's sisters into one character effectively prevented the future existence of Mary Queen of Scots....and James the I, Elizabeth's Scottish nephew and successor to the throne through her aunt Margaret who was married off into the hated Scottish royal family (daddy could marry you off into an enemy family as a political alliance and then attack your new country anyway). It was Henry's younger sister, Mary, who ended up marrying Charles Brandon and becoming grandmother to Lady Jane Grey.
 
There is no current season, there is the past and the up coming.
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The one we haven't seen yet is current enough for me. I watch the show on DVD and pay no attention to when it's actually scheduled, but I do know there's one season left and Henry's set to croak at the end of it.

I actually thought it was coming back in Feb, but I checked Showtime's site - March 30?!? I actually do have Showtime (for Dexter) but if they're gonna make me wait that long, I'll just cancel it and wait for the DVDs.

The point is that the show was going to have five seasons, but asshole Jonathan Rhys Meyers said he didn't want to do two more years, and they made a deal to end it this year.
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Fine with me, he's starting to get boring. I wanna see the reigns of his kids and his dad.

Henry VII had a fascinating life and a perilous road to the throne, which he literally won in battle.
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Now that's interesting! Some guy who usurps a throne is always more interesting than some guy who just has it delivered to him on a silver platter.
 
I don't think you need to worry about Midnighters. I haven't heard that NBC has picked it up and the window is closing...
 
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