Tawny Newsome and Justin Simien developing new live-action Trek series

[Daedalus]

I feel like, as long as you have the primary show keeping a more standard approach (i.e USS starship, strange new worlds and an ensemble crew) you can have other shows alongside. Experimental ones, if you like.

Even DW had Torchwood(quite dark/adult), Sarah Jane Adventures(aimed at kids), Class(YA) and the upcoming project with the Sea Devils.

Apparently, Amazon want to make Bond spinoffs too. Not too sure Barbara Broccoli is keen, however.

 

[trekfan_1]

And I don't except Trek to survive. I expect it to slowly decrease and eventually not be produced. And life will, inexplicably, move on. That's ok. That is the nature of things.

I disagree . People born 20 years from now can (;and some will) find Star Trek fresh. There may be some lull periods ( example 1969-79, 2005-09) but Star Trek will be back, likely in cycles for future modern audiences. Like gameshows, marvel movies, Sherlock/mystery shows etc

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Not even joking, I'd watch that show. Or at least give it a fair chance.

Make it about Kira Nerys in her resistance days, and call it ... 26

 

[trekfan_1]

If the current peaple leading Star Trek were people that audiances had high confidence in, I think you likely get less pushback from hearing about a concept like this. This, in my opinion is at least partially why fans are groaning.

 

[fireproof78]

IMO, of the Treks you mentioned , DS9 is the only one I would personally categorize as a different formula. And that would be one of the examples of "working extra hard to impress me". And it did. It was well made. It transcended Star Trek for me. It is possible to do something using a different formula to impress me.. It's just I haven't been fully satisfied with the current showrunners to even do familiar Trek super well let alone branch out to execute something outside its formula.

If the creative juices are not there, at least using the tried and true formula gets you half way there.

Mileage will vary.

I didn't get through TNG despite the formula.

I disagree . People born 20 years from now can (;and some will) find Star Trek fresh. There may be some lull periods ( example 1969-79, (2005-09) but Star Trek will be back, likely in cycles for future modern audiences. Like gameshows, marvel movies, Sherlock/mystery shows etc

Probably.

But I'm not worried or holding my breath. I'll just not watch and recommend people do the same.

If the current peaple leading Star Trek were people that audiances had high confidence in, I think you likely get less pushback from hearing about a concept like this. This, in my opinion is at least partially why fans are groaning.

I doubt it. People hate change. As you note again and again with staying with "the formula."

I believe fans are just wanting to suffer at this point and not willing to ignore it.

 

[trekfan_1]

I doubt it. People hate change. As you note again and again with staying with "the formula."

Sure people resist change. True general statement outside of just StarTrek. TNG was first resisted because it didn't have Kirk or Spock. DS9 was first resisted because it was a different formula. But as TNG matured and got better and as DS9 proved to be a high quality show, people warmed up to them. I don't think the modern showrunners have done that with the current crop of shows . Not becauset people " just " hate change. There's more to it beyond that blanket statement.

DS9 was different and found success. Make a good quality show, it can trump everything even if it veers away from the familiar

 

[ChristopherPike]

I would rather Lower Decks had been the outlier, and not ensure that one Star Trek show in production always has to now become the meta, self referencing, comedy one.

I'd sooner it had just carried on - in the form more or less largely accepted - perhaps in live-action, if the Strange New Worlds crossover was any proof of concept.

 

[trekfan_1]

I will always have questions.


What I won't say is "No, don't do that." They are welcome to try.

This is a bit of an extreme example but do you have any exceptions to that mindset?

If they announced they were making an official Star Trek Adult X rated Movie , you wouldn't dismiss them for trying it?

 

[fireproof78]

This is a bit of an extreme example but do you have any exceptions to that mindset?

If they announced they were making an official Star Trek Adult X rated Movie , you wouldn't dismiss them for trying it?

No, I would not.

I simply would not watch it. I've made peace with not all Trek is for me.

Sure people resist change. True general statement outside of just StarTrek. TNG was first resisted because it didn't have Kirk or Spock. DS9 was first resisted because it was a different formula. But as TNG matured and got better and as DS9 proved to be a high quality show, people warmed up to them. I don't think the modern showrunners have done that with the current crop of shows . Not becauset people " just " hate change. There's more to it beyond that blanket statement.

DS9 was different and found success. Make a good quality show, it can trump everything even if it veers away from the familiar

Which is why I don't fault them for trying. I still don't like aspects of TNG or DS9 but they swung for the fences and did well.

I agree there's more to it than a blanket statement but what do we have to go on for the newer productions? Not much yet people are convinced, here and elsewhere, that this is awful despite limited evidence.

I'm just waiting and seeing.

 

[Danja]

Exactly. Try doing a sitcom version of DR Who, I gureentee Dr who fans would be dubious about it.

Or casting a woman as The Doctor (there's a section of the fandom that's cursing Jodie Whittaker and Chris Chibnall up and down ).

My question is ... If the Doctor can be anyone, why not a woman? Or an Afro-British man?

 

[trekfan_1]

I agree there's more to it than a blanket statement but what do we have to go on for the newer productions? Not much yet people are convinced, here and elsewhere, that this is awful despite limited evidence.

I'm just waiting and seeing.

The other possibility/factor is the newer shows are not seen as "really good" . Not "just" because it's different but because people havnt been too impressed with the overall quality or connected with the characters .

 

[fireproof78]

The other possibility/factor is the newer shows are not seen as "really good" . Not "just" because it's different but because people havnt been too impressed with the overall quality or connected with the characters .

That's fair.

I just don't have enough information to say it's not good or bad. It's just different.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

My question is ... If the Doctor can be anyone, why not a woman? Or an Afro-British man?

I was against the idea of them casting someone radically different as the Doctor without setting up a reason why, as even though he keeps saying he could be anything, he regenerated into a white male 12 times in a row.

But then they put in the work to explain why his subconscious would be more likely to make him turn female this time, and I was satisfied.

I think that's my feeling about change in general. If something new develops naturally from what came before and it makes sense, then I'm much more likely to accept it. Like Lower Decks is a big change as it's an animated comedy about ensigns, but it continues right on from '90s Trek, it feels like part of that world, and it's my favourite of the recent shows. Meanwhile on paper Strange New Worlds is the safest, most normal Star Trek series of the recent era, but it changed too much without explanation for me to be able to get into it, and it's my least favourite.

 

[trekfan_1]

No, I would not.

I simply would not watch it. I've made peace with not all Trek is for me.

Which is fair. Just like some people chose to physically protest/demonstrate against a new upcoming law , a smaller scale version of that exists for using online forums/social media as a way of voicing concerns about news about their favorite show or franchise.

For me personally, I do sometimes post misgivings about something that does not sound good to me . But I always add in qualifiers that my *final * judgment will be after watching it.

For better or worse allot of people ( including me) will have some measure of pre-judging. But ( for me) usually it's with some precident ( I.e seing who's producing something, seing a trailer) thats making me think or lean that way.

But not judging until something viewed is a good outlook that I wish everyone ( including myself ) had a better grasp of. Or simply ignoring things I don't like.

 

[fireproof78]

But not judging until something viewed is a good outlook that I wish everyone ( including myself ) had a better grasp of. Or simply ignoring things I don't li

Life is too short for me to do otherwise.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

If the current peaple leading Star Trek were people that audiances had high confidence in, I think you likely get less pushback from hearing about a concept like this. This, in my opinion is at least partially why fans are groaning.

Meh. The groaning happening now, is no different to the groaning when it was revealed that Enterprise was going to be a prequel, or the groaning that Voyager would be lost in the delta quadrant or that DS9 would be set on a space station or TNG would not feature Spock and Kirk. Fan outrage, like fashion, is cyclical.

 

[trekfan_1]

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Life is too short for me to do otherwise.

Agreed. But engaging in online discussions with people in a simular interest, even if it's not always positive or rational feedback ( like premature reacting to news) can still foster a postive comunial experience if using tact and not taking things to the extreme.

 

[fireproof78]

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Agreed. But engaging in online discussions with people in a simular interest, even if it's not always positive or rational feedback ( like premature reacting to news) can still foster a postive comunial experience if using tact and not taking things to the extreme.

I find myself often confused more than anything.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Meh. The groaning happening now, is no different to the groaning when it was revealed that Enterprise was going to be a prequel

That makes sense. People had lost a lot of faith in the current creative team after Voyager and prequels are rarely what people would prefer. And then the first couple of seasons were terrible, proving everyone's fears correct.

 

[trekfan_1]

I find myself often confused more than anything.

Pre-judging/Quick takes is something I see in real life quite often. Whether it's about peesonal life, politics or someone talking a movie they hear is coming. That this also extends to online activity is not surprising to me.