TATV--what were they thinking?

[OmahaStar]

In a vacuum, this was a fine episode. If it would've been something like, episode 4 of season 2, it would've worked well enough with some tweaking. Vague hints at future events. Sans Trip's death, of course. But as a final episode? Are you kidding me? I have never been so, so, so... incensed. I follow these characters for 4 years and this is what you give me as a final episode? A Riker episode with the ENT characters as mere background interaction? A RIKER EPISODE?! No. Just, no.

Also, sure this is all canon. It's canon that Riker was running a holodeck program. It's canon that Trip (bites tongue in anger) died in a holodeck program run by Riker. But I refuse to acknowledge that Trip actually died. I can't. I won't.

OMG, thank you ... That's the funniest rant I've read in days ... You sum up perfectly my opinion on Enterprise fans.

 

[Zane Gray]

I just love the fact that people are still pissed off about this episode three years later. I think that validates the negative reaction most fans had to the finale, that so many people still feel so strongly about it. If you hated the episode, I agree with others here: go read The Good That Men Do. Most of you will be glad you did. It definitely takes the sting out of it.

Wasn't there a thread over at Trek Movie where Braga actually responed to criticism of the episode, and acknowledged that he kind of blew it and felt bad about it in retrospect? Does anyone have that link?

EDIT - here's the link: http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/19/brannon-braga-chats-with-the-trekmoviecom-community/

2ND EDIT - here's more: http://trekmovie.com/2007/08/12/vegascon-07-braga-reflects-on-a-life-with-trek/

From the second link, Braga's comments about TATV:

"I do have some regrets about that final episode. It didn’t quite creatively align with the rest of the season. ….The final episode was very controversial and I do have some regrets about it. What we were trying to do was send a valentine to all the Star Trek shows. Enterprise just happened to be the show on at the time and it turns out the episode was a failure. It had some great stuff init and it was a cool concept, but it was languid. I don’t know if it fully delivered and it really pissed off the cast. It was a hybrid show. Rick [Berman] and I were involved in the franchise for years (Rick for 18 - me for 15). We felt like we wanted to send a valentine to the show, but I do concur it was not a complete success."

Also:

"It was the final episode, we knew the series was over and we could do anything we wanted. Trip was always my favorite character on the show and I wanted to….I just wanted to kill him. I cant give you a coherent response. We wanted to do something that had emotional impact and had consequences which is something we were never allowed to do."

And:

"I thought Manny Coto did a great job. One could argue that Enterprise might have been that from the beginning. When I was seeing what Manny was doing it was like “you know what? Maybe this should have been the show from the start.” "

From the first link:

"If “Enterprise” had continued, we would have kept going with Manny Coto’s unique vision of the show. Also, we would have explored the temporal cold war to its conclusion. We all felt that there were many more Trek stories to tell with that crew, and we were saddened by its premature end. Manny and I speak often about this. The show had really caught fire in seasons 3 and 4."

And:

[on TATV] "All valid critiques of the “Enterprise” final episode. While writing it, we thought it would be great. We were off-base. Rick Berman may not agree with me, and I don’t want to speak for him, but I believe that the story was tangled and didn’t fully convey the sentiments we intended. Please know that we never set out to anything but our very best. I poured my soul into that episode, which I guess makes it even more tragic that it didn’t turn out so well."

There's a lot more from Braga on many different aspects of his time with Trek, so both links are worth reading.

 

[Captain X]

TGTMD is not an improvement on TATV. It's just as contrived, the characters are just as out of character, and frankly I've seen better finalie fixes made by fans. The only thing it has is the novelty that Trip isn't dead, that's it.

 

[Kalen Archer]

In a vacuum, this was a fine episode. If it would've been something like, episode 4 of season 2, it would've worked well enough with some tweaking. Vague hints at future events. Sans Trip's death, of course. But as a final episode? Are you kidding me? I have never been so, so, so... incensed. I follow these characters for 4 years and this is what you give me as a final episode? A Riker episode with the ENT characters as mere background interaction? A RIKER EPISODE?! No. Just, no.

Also, sure this is all canon. It's canon that Riker was running a holodeck program. It's canon that Trip (bites tongue in anger) died in a holodeck program run by Riker. But I refuse to acknowledge that Trip actually died. I can't. I won't.

OMG, thank you ... That's the funniest rant I've read in days ... You sum up perfectly my opinion on Enterprise fans.

A trolling infraction has been added for this post.

 

[jefferiestubes8]

TATV- Braga reflects

Regarding the Enterprise finale, "These Are The Voyages...." Braga told the audience "I will take full blame for that episode, for those that didn't like it. In retrospect, it was a very cool idea, that in the end was a mistake. The concept was was to have Manny do a final two-part finale, but then have a final final episode send a valentine to all of Star Trek over the last eighteen years. We just thought it would be a cool concept to show the Next Generation's crew looking back, though the holodeck, at Archer's crew. It is a high concept, but I am not sure it came together."

- producer Brannon Braga
10 August 2009
SOURCE

 

[Holiday Romantic]

Lordy, this thread has been dead for over a year. Let it rest.

jeffriestube8, if you wish to begin a fresh discussion of TATV-- meaning, contributing thoughts of your own, not simply quoting part of an article without comment-- feel free to start a new thread.