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Tasha Yar was to command saucer section in Farpoint in early draft

David Gerrold also felt he was entitled to co-creator credit since he was there from the beginning and wrote the first draft of the series "bible." However, the Writer's Guild ruled that because Roddenberry had created the original source material (TOS), he was entitled to the sole creator credit.

That's not a "feeling," it's standard WGA policy that's literally written down in their guidelines. You write the series bible or the pilot episode, you're entitled to creator credit. I don't know how Roddenberry talked them into making an exception to the rule, but it is an official, explicit rule in black and white, not just one person's opinion.

I mean, that source material argument makes no sense, given that every later Trek series was also derived from TOS but still credited its own developers as the creators, with an additional "Based upon Star Trek Created by Gene Roddenberry" credit. That's the way it normally works. At the very least, the head writers of an adapted work are entitled to a "Developed by" credit, the way The Incredible Hulk (based on a character created by Stan Lee et al.) was "Developed for Television by Kenneth Johnson" and M*A*S*H (based on a novel by Richard Hooker) was "Developed for Television by Larry Gelbart."
 
I think he feels out of place in the moment, but using Q's trial to bookend the show worked great and gives it a feeling of being a complete story.
 
That's not a "feeling," it's standard WGA policy that's literally written down in their guidelines. You write the series bible or the pilot episode, you're entitled to creator credit. I don't know how Roddenberry talked them into making an exception to the rule, but it is an official, explicit rule in black and white, not just one person's opinion.

I mean, that source material argument makes no sense, given that every later Trek series was also derived from TOS but still credited its own developers as the creators, with an additional "Based upon Star Trek Created by Gene Roddenberry" credit. That's the way it normally works. At the very least, the head writers of an adapted work are entitled to a "Developed by" credit, the way The Incredible Hulk (based on a character created by Stan Lee et al.) was "Developed for Television by Kenneth Johnson" and M*A*S*H (based on a novel by Richard Hooker) was "Developed for Television by Larry Gelbart."
My memory on this is fuzzy, but I *think* the argument made at the time was that TNG was just a continuation of the prior series. In fact, there was a suggestion at one point to just call it Star Trek and not even give it a different name. It seems somewhat preposterous, but it obviously worked as the Guild awarded him the sole creator credit.

Also, let's be honest. It's not as though WGA mandated credits always reflect reality. Nick Meyer wrote the screenplay for TWOK, but it's credited to Jack B. Sowards. Roddenberry wrote a lot of the screenplay for TMP but only Harold Livingston got credit. Michael Piller wrote a good chunk of "Yesterday's Enterprise" but voluntarily removed his name because of WGA rules about how many writers can be listed. Etc.
 
Come to think of it, the problem is that they treated the security chief and the tactical officer as the same job, when they're really two different jobs. Tactical is fighting battles with things outside the ship, while security is protecting the people inside the ship. So if Tasha had just been the security chief, it would've made sense for her to shepherd the civilians to safety in the saucer, while a separate tactical officer ran the battle from the battle bridge.

It's long bothered me that Trek tends to treat security chiefs as just people who fire phasers and get into fights. That's overlooking what the word security means. It's more a protective role than a combat role. If a fight breaks out, then security has already failed in its job.
We talked about it here and there were interesting contributions from those who have had actual military experience.

The bottom line is this: in reality they are two very distinct jobs, with two different career paths and with very distinct responsibilities. Narratively it was probably done to not have too many characters and to provide a pretext for the main cast to be all on the bridge at the same time during some emergency.

Edit: And it didn't even make sense for him to handle communications too.
 
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She wrote the original 90-minute version of the pilot, the part involving Farpoint Station, the Bandi, and the space creatures. When the decision was made to expand it to 2 hours, Roddenberry tacked on the Q subplot to pad it out
Didn't she write the original one hour pilot (i.e. 45 minutes of script), which was then doubled to a two-hour slot at Paramount's insistence, resulting in the final 90-minute script?
 
Didn't she write the original one hour pilot (i.e. 45 minutes of script), which was then doubled to a two-hour slot at Paramount's insistence, resulting in the final 90-minute script?
Yeah, I remember something like that.
 
Honestly, I find Q more interesting than the Farpoint mystery.

On paper, Q is a stupid idea. He's basically The Great Gazoo from The Flintstones, an advanced being who hangs around with primitives so he can insult them, and who performs magic with a snap of his fingers. It's an absurd concept that works against the plausibility Roddenberry claimed he wanted for Star Trek. And it's a rehash of an overused TOS trope, advanced godlike beings putting humanity on trial. The only thing that made Q work was John DeLancie's charismatic performance. With a lesser actor, it could've been a disaster.


My memory on this is fuzzy, but I *think* the argument made at the time was that TNG was just a continuation of the prior series. In fact, there was a suggestion at one point to just call it Star Trek and not even give it a different name. It seems somewhat preposterous, but it obviously worked as the Guild awarded him the sole creator credit.

Granted, a lot of TNG is a reworking of the Phase II revival idea that became Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Picard is based on the older, more seasoned Kirk who was a mentor to Decker, Will Riker and Deanna Troi are Will Decker and Ilia, and Data is a cross between Phase II's Xon (the young, logical science officer eager to learn more about human emotion) and the title android from Roddenberry's The Questor Tapes. So perhaps that was a factor.

Still, if that was the basis for the ruling, it was very much the exception to how those things are usually done. Even direct spinoffs usually give creator credit to the developers of the spinoffs instead of limiting it to the creators of the original (for instance, Angel credits both Joss Whedon and David Greenwalt as its creators, and AfterMASH credited four creators, not just M*A*S*H developer Larry Gelbart.


Also, let's be honest. It's not as though WGA mandated credits always reflect reality. Nick Meyer wrote the screenplay for TWOK, but it's credited to Jack B. Sowards. Roddenberry wrote a lot of the screenplay for TMP but only Harold Livingston got credit. Michael Piller wrote a good chunk of "Yesterday's Enterprise" but voluntarily removed his name because of WGA rules about how many writers can be listed. Etc.

Yes, but as you say, there are rules dictating why that happens. And as I said, the explicit WGA rule in writing -- I've read it -- is that if you write the series bible or the pilot episode, you're entitled to creator credit. So the mystery is why the rule was made an exception to in that case.


Didn't she write the original one hour pilot (i.e. 45 minutes of script), which was then doubled to a two-hour slot at Paramount's insistence, resulting in the final 90-minute script?

No, it was originally meant for a 90-minute slot (meaning about 70 minutes minus commercials) but then expanded to a 2-hour slot (meaning about 90 minutes minus commercials). That's why 3/4 of "Farpoint" is the Farpoint/Bandi plot that Fontana wrote and 1/4 of it is the Q subplot that Roddenberry wrote.

I suspect that War of the Worlds: The Series, TNG's sister show in its syndication package in 1988-90, was also intended to have a 90-minute pilot that was expanded to 2 hours, because it has a subplot involving the lead character's breakup with his fiancee that takes up about 1/4 of the runtime but has no relevance to the larger story and isn't even mentioned in the rest of the plot.
 
Thanks, some sources say Roddenberry initially was insistent he only wanted a one-hour pilot which is what I was thinking of!
 
On paper, Q is a stupid idea. He's basically The Great Gazoo from The Flintstones, an advanced being who hangs around with primitives so he can insult them, and who performs magic with a snap of his fingers. It's an absurd concept that works against the plausibility Roddenberry claimed he wanted for Star Trek. And it's a rehash of an overused TOS trope, advanced godlike beings putting humanity on trial. The only thing that made Q work was John DeLancie's charismatic performance. With a lesser actor, it could've been a disaster.
None of this contradicts what I said. Q could have backfired horribly (i.e. I don't exactly disagree with you), but I find the Farpoint mystery boring and a bit sappy at the end, while I want to know more about what's going on with Q. If you don't want to take that as praise for Q, you're welcome to take it as condemnation of the Farpoint storyline.
 
Indeed, it's the most engaging part of the pilot.

I've not seen Fontana's original draft, so maybe there was more going on in the Farpoint story.
The details at Memory Alpha has a whole thing about people at Farpoint getting taken prisoner and forced to mine stuff for aliens called Annoi, and another ship called Starseeker getting blown up. I just imagine the Enterprise crew running around a cave set like the one the Morlocks live in "The Time Machine."
 
the spelled out "and" indicating that they worked on separate drafts. If two writers work as a team, "&" is used instead.)

Modern Trek also has its little controversies.

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What a panadmomeium.
That must be a very pleasant working environment.

I'm looking forward to the expiration of the NDAs and the release of all types of behind-the-scenes information and interviews. (Chaos on the Bridge 2.0?)
 
Modern Trek also has its little controversies.

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What a panadmomeium.
That must be a very pleasant working environment.

I'm looking forward to the expiration of the NDAs and the release of all types of behind-the-scenes information and interviews. (Chaos on the Bridge 2.0?)
What the controversy? And why would there be "unpleasantness"?
 
The TNG episode "First Contact" has five people listed under "teleplay by", including our own Dennis Bailey ( @Mudd )

per IMDB

Dennis Bailey ... (teleplay by) (as Dennis Russell Bailey) &
David Bischoff ... (teleplay by) and
Joe Menosky ... (teleplay by) &
Ronald D. Moore ... (teleplay by) and
Michael Piller ... (teleplay by) (showrunner)

Is there some controversy and unpleasantness there too, what with two "&s" and two "ands"?
 
Yeah, lots of names on a script only gets controversial if one of those names is Harlan Ellison, otherwise it's pretty normal. Whether they're '&'s or 'and's. It's not necessarily a good sign where there's lots of cooks in the kitchen, it hints that it took a bit of work to get it right, but sometimes you get a Yesterday's Enterprise out of it.
 
And? Looks like four people contributed to the story and three of those contributed to the teleplay.

Matalas distanced himself from the rest of the season. "Akiva brilliantly captained the rest" "incredible". There is something not right.


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