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Tarantino and Abrams to Do Next Trek Movie

I understand Tarantino's point, because if they had managed to recapture the "magic" (so to speak) of WOK, I obviously wouldn't be complaining. I just think they fell way short of that mark. They borrowed from WOK to make an inferior product (in my eyes).
Trek has been doing this for a long time.

As others have stated, ST ID was not a TWOK rip off. It had Khan in it, who wasn't the big bad until the last third. The emotional journey of Kirk is far different and is carried forward from ST 09, while TWOK is largely repetitive of TMP for Kirk's journey.

Inferior is subjective, and that's well within your rights. But, using "rip off" to describe a poorly made film when there is evidence to the contrary? That makes no sense.
 
Trek has been doing this for a long time.

As others have stated, ST ID was not a TWOK rip off. It had Khan in it, who wasn't the big bad until the last third. The emotional journey of Kirk is far different and is carried forward from ST 09, while TWOK is largely repetitive of TMP for Kirk's journey.

Inferior is subjective, and that's well within your rights. But, using "rip off" to describe a poorly made film when there is evidence to the contrary? That makes no sense.

Yeah, I suppose no part of Into Darkness ripped off WOK...

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Did I say that? No, I didn't. I referred to the larger themes, character arcs and story beats. If a two minute scene makes a film an entire "rip off" then Star Trek ripped of Moby Dick.
It did rip off the most meaningful scene in the movie and did it poorly.

An "entire" rip off? Do you often win arguments with people by attributing statements to them that are not really their own? :D
 
What did I miss here?
I was using "remake" and "reboot" interchangeably. What you're really missing though is that the degree to which Into Darkness borrowed from WOK isn't relevant to my base point that it just plain sucked in comparison.
 
I was using "remake" and "reboot" interchangeably. What you're really missing though is that the degree to which Into Darkness borrowed from WOK isn't relevant to my base point that it just plain sucked in comparison.
Perhaps what you ought to have said in the first place was that you thought it sucked. That way, everyone would clearly understand that you were expressing an opinion.

When you begin with "In fact*, ______ is a shameless remake of _____," and, when challenged on that assertion, start moving the goalposts all over the place, it calls into question your reasons for joining the discussion to begin with.


* not actually a fact
 
Perhaps what you ought to have said in the first place was that you thought it sucked. That way, everyone would clearly understand that you were expressing an opinion.

When you begin with "In fact*, ______ is a shameless remake of _____," and, when challenged on that assertion, start moving the goalposts all over the place, it calls into question your reasons for joining the discussion to begin with.


* not actually a fact
It's all semantics. It is clear that Into Darkness borrowed from WOK, and didn't use what it borrowed as well. I may have been overly affirmative in my statement, but it should have been clear what I was getting at.
 
I was using "remake" and "reboot" interchangeably. What you're really missing though is that the degree to which Into Darkness borrowed from WOK isn't relevant to my base point that it just plain sucked in comparison.
Subjective. Perhaps one of the more gripping scenes for me from the Kelvin films, built very nicely off of 09 and emotionally impactful.

YMMV, and all that.
It's all semantics. It is clear that Into Darkness borrowed from WOK, and didn't use what it borrowed as well. I may have been overly affirmative in my statement, but it should have been clear what I was getting at.
It wasn't. :shrug:
 
I personally hope Tarantino and Co. go through with the Yesterday's Enterprise adaptation and we basically get led into Kelvin-TNG.

And they bring back Tom Hardy as Picard.
Yesterday's Enterprise was a phenomenal episode...one of my favorites, but can we please cool it with the time travel movies! It's ridiculous...
Can anybody come up with an original story for this crew that doesn't involve time travel? I guess not. I get that slipping Chris Hemsworth (THOR) back into this series is an easy way to sell tickets, but so will an epic new story arc. The table was set in Into Darkness for a conflict with the Klingons, but the best that Tarantino can do is a Big Screen remake of Yesterday's Enterprise starring the guy who plays THOR?
Wow! How original...
 
Yesterday's Enterprise was a phenomenal episode...one of my favorites, but can we please cool it with the time travel movies! It's ridiculous...
Can anybody come up with an original story for this crew that doesn't involve time travel? I guess not. I get that slipping Chris Hemsworth (THOR) back into this series is an easy way to sell tickets, but so will an epic new story arc. The table was set in Into Darkness for a conflict with the Klingons, but the best that Tarantino can do is a Big Screen remake of Yesterday's Enterprise starring the guy who plays THOR?
Wow! How original...



The Thor part was JJ's story idea, not QT's. I would lean as that's out with QT assuming command, but

The KT movies should've been a a 3 or 4 movie arc with separate self contained movies, yet aligning the over all story like....gulp....SW movies are

Keeps audience engaged and not reliant on writing 3 or 4 quality one of/stand alone films which ST has struggled with

QT mentioned those episodes, but honestly no one knows what they are planning. I am optimistic n hoping for a great Trek
 
I understand Tarantino's point, because if they had managed to recapture the "magic" (so to speak) of WOK, I obviously wouldn't be complaining. I just think they fell way short of that mark. They borrowed from WOK to make an inferior product (in my eyes).
that's your interpretation of his point, but not what he really said. Everything he really said is that he hated Benedict as Khan and that they 'changed' WOK (and made it happen in a different time) because he'd rather see the reboot (I'm not quoting him, just paraphrasing what I remember he said. Please don't make me copy and paste his interview and the video link again LOL, just search in the thread) being like tos and expand on tos stories, instead of changing (rebooting) them. This gives the illusion that his issue with stid is that, contrary to what is being said here, it wasn't enough a 'remake' (thus not enough similar to the original, with all its elements). A feeling exacerbated by him also stating that he'd love to use one of the old episodes and do them again with the bigger budget the movies have. In short, remakes. He didn't propose any original idea. He didn't even get this is an alternate reality (HOW??? I still ask myself how he couldn't get that), those guys had to explain it to him ^^"
Of course, this is all part of my own interpretation too and trying to rationalize his opinion using with the limited info I get from his words, but point is he didn't really say his issue is that the movie didn't recapture the "magic" of the original or was too much a remake.

Admittely, I don't get all his points (especially him making it seems the group is a hindrance in spite of his movies being known for their ensemble, so it feels weird he finds it a hindrance for trek of all the things. Uhura and McCoy aren't useless. I mean, he's free to think that if he wants but I'm sure a lot of fans would vehently disagree).
I honestly think he was babbling for the most part and just replying to someone asking him a question about something he maybe hadn't thought that much about before. I don't know. I'm not even sure the idea he proposed to paramount now has anything to do with what he said years ago, who knows! He may have rewatched stid and like it too now, maybe he gets the reboot more now and has a different perspective on some things. We also don't know what he thinks about Beyond. (eta: tbh, I think beyond's issue is that the creative team didn't like stid either and them implying they were ignoring it backfired big time. Say what you want about that movie, but it's part of this trek and can't get ignored and neither can Beyond get ignored now. And really, I don't expect who they hire to make the sequels must love all the previous movies with a passion, but it's concerning for me to get new creative team who come in and are like 'so let me FIX this mess the other writers did by ignoring or undoing everything they did just because I can', because this often translates into sequels that feel too disconnected from the other movies, lack of cohesion, forced story elements.. and fans like me getting frustrated)

What he said is important to me only to the extent it's the only thing I have, right now, to try to get a clue about what might be his opinions and what kind of movie he'd make, thus what I should expect from him.
I'm just a fan of these movies who feels trepidation over being at the mercy, literally, of these people and I get concerned/worried by the little I already know about Tarantino, both in terms of his style and movies and the little I can find of his opinion about the reboot. All things that make me feel more pessimistic than optimistic. That can change, of course.
 
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that's your interpretation of his point, but not what he really said. Everything he really said is that he hated Benedict as Khan and that they 'changed' WOK (and made it happen in a different time) because he'd rather see the reboot (I'm not quoting him, just paraphrasing what I remember he said.

I definitely agree with him about Benedict. That character was not Khan to me. I am not overly interested in the intricacies of Tarantino's point though.
 
All things that make me feel more pessimistic than optimistic. That can change, of course.
Optimism, captain! :)

Honestly, I would just encourage you that CBS and Paramount knows what makes money from Star Trek, so I don't think they'll let QT stray as far as we might think.

Balancing your pessimism :techman:
 
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