Take the sum of the previous TV series and Movies, call it "Star Trek"
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Yes. There's no objectivism to it realistically.
The movie is called "Star Trek". It is centered around the universe of "Star Trek" (no matter how altered), and contains characters from the "Star Trek" series and movies.
It is Star Trek.
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Yes. There's no objectivism to it realistically.
The movie is called "Star Trek". It is centered around the universe of "Star Trek" (no matter how altered), and contains characters from the "Star Trek" series and movies.
It is Star Trek.
J.
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It being called "Star Trek" isn't relevant to the question. And at some point of altering it's not Star Trek anymore. Again I'm not asking if this is called Star Trek but I'm asking that in people's minds is this movie part of "Star Trek" as defined as "the sum of the previous TV series and Movies"
I'll mark you down for a yes.
It being called "Star Trek" isn't relevant to the question. And at some point of altering it's not Star Trek anymore. Again I'm not asking if this is called Star Trek but I'm asking that in people's minds is this movie part of "Star Trek" as defined as "the sum of the previous TV series and Movies"
I'll mark you down for a yes.
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That's fine, but what I'm saying is that you can call it pudding, you can call it "Not Star Trek" but it is, and will be officially from now on by all accounts that matter, "Star Trek". My point is that whether you consider it Star Trek or not, by canon or what have you, it is a part of the "Star Trek" mythos.
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That's fine, but what I'm saying is that you can call it pudding, you can call it "Not Star Trek" but it is, and will be officially from now on by all accounts that matter, "Star Trek". My point is that whether you consider it Star Trek or not, by canon or what have you, it is a part of the "Star Trek" mythos.
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And that's an opinion an opinion you are acting like is a fact. What do you have against me asking the question: In people's minds is this movie part of "Star Trek" as defined as "the sum of the previous TV series and Movies"?
And that's an opinion an opinion you are acting like is a fact. What do you have against me asking the question: In people's minds is this movie part of "Star Trek" as defined as "the sum of the previous TV series and Movies"?
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I disagree with the premise of the question.
Star Trek was never about linearity and summation, or following strictly in series. It was about exploring the many permutations and combinations that could be imagined, re-imagined, expanded and synthesized from the initial mythos.
I disagree with the premise of the question.
Star Trek was never about linearity and summation, or following strictly in series. It was about exploring the many permutations and combinations that could be imagined, re-imagined, expanded and synthesized from the initial mythos.
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Indeed. Opinions vary on what makes "true" Star Trek, so the only objective, quantifiable marker everyone can point to is what the studio decides to label "Star Trek." I'm sure many will say that sucks, but there it is.
Indeed. Opinions vary on what makes "true" Star Trek, so the only objective, quantifiable marker everyone can point to is what the studio decides to label "Star Trek." I'm sure many will say that sucks, but there it is.
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I have nothing against it. You are simply not understanding my answer.
That's what I'm trying to say, yes!
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I have nothing against it. You are simply not understanding my answer.
That's what I'm trying to say, yes!
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People need to take a step back and re-read my question. I'm just asking for people's opinions and as much as what label studios put on things is more easily identifiable it doesn't preclude people from having opinions does it?
People need to take a step back and re-read my question. I'm just asking for people's opinions and as much as what label studios put on things is more easily identifiable it doesn't preclude people from having opinions does it?
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Your answer appears to me to be that I can't ask my question, and I think that is fairly obnoxious honestly.
Your answer appears to me to be that I can't ask my question, and I think that is fairly obnoxious honestly.
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Your question, in whole:
I answered.
You would be incorrect in that assumption.
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Your question, in whole:
There's not a lot there to read.
I answered.
You would be incorrect in that assumption.
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No. But the question of what is Star Trek vs. what makes for good Star Trek are two different things. To be honest, your original question was vague enough that I'm not quite sure what this thread is supposed to be about beyond what some others have interpreted it to be.
Be that as it may, this whole "real Star Trek" thing has popped up enough times that I felt like saying something, and here is where it happened to happen.
No. But the question of what is Star Trek vs. what makes for good Star Trek are two different things. To be honest, your original question was vague enough that I'm not quite sure what this thread is supposed to be about beyond what some others have interpreted it to be.
Be that as it may, this whole "real Star Trek" thing has popped up enough times that I felt like saying something, and here is where it happened to happen.
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It's folk like you that put me off Trek in the first place. "ooh you're not a true fan" "ooh this and that isn't canon" "certain staff members should rot in hell".....gives me a bigger headache than time travel
It's folk like you that put me off Trek in the first place. "ooh you're not a true fan" "ooh this and that isn't canon" "certain staff members should rot in hell".....gives me a bigger headache than time travel
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Indeed. I've already seen posters say outright that this movie is not Star Trek and never will be Star Trek. Outside of their own imagined canon, they are wrong. It's not my opinion, it's not my own will, it's how things are as they are completed. Star Trek is completed and placed amongst known Trek history.
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Indeed. I've already seen posters say outright that this movie is not Star Trek and never will be Star Trek. Outside of their own imagined canon, they are wrong. It's not my opinion, it's not my own will, it's how things are as they are completed. Star Trek is completed and placed amongst known Trek history.
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Agreed.
Speaking strictly for myself, yes. This movie is, by my definition(s) of the term, Star Trek.
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They aren't wrong, they are likely just defining the word "Star Trek" differently. And honestly I don't see why anybody deserves so much crap for defining it differently from you.
They aren't wrong, they are likely just defining the word "Star Trek" differently. And honestly I don't see why anybody deserves so much crap for defining it differently from you.
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I think it's a fair enough question.
And my answer: No, it's not. Regardless of what the studio calls it.
It could be seen as an adaptation of Star Trek... something different, branching off from a roughly similar starting point, with a few of the same names and terminology.
But philosophically and stylistically, it's something else. And in terms of the question you asked -- it explicitly sets aside every single other Trek story ever told. So no, it's not part of that.
I think it's a fair enough question.
And my answer: No, it's not. Regardless of what the studio calls it.
It could be seen as an adaptation of Star Trek... something different, branching off from a roughly similar starting point, with a few of the same names and terminology.
But philosophically and stylistically, it's something else. And in terms of the question you asked -- it explicitly sets aside every single other Trek story ever told. So no, it's not part of that.
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What did I ignore?
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What did I ignore?
My answer, and I bold it and italicize for emphasis:
My answer completely resolves your question, and then gives the foundation and reasoning as to why. You couldn't get a more complete answer to your question. You simply didn't like the direction I took with it. Examine it.
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Thanks, more responses like this. You don't have to agree with me but I think this topic would go better if people just responded to the question being asked. Thanks.
Thanks, more responses like this. You don't have to agree with me but I think this topic would go better if people just responded to the question being asked. Thanks.
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