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[Sindatur]

I don't recall any indication that Mack and Bo had a romance, rather than a Bromance, in A View From the Gallery.

On the trip to Mars, Marcus and Dr. Franklin booked themselves transit undercover posing as a Gay couple

I seem to recall a couple of guys eating lunch in the background behind One/some of the Command Staff, who got up from the table together to leave, and something about that scene had me wondering if they were a couple. I recall there being a flower(s) in a vase on the table, but, that may have just been Cafeteria Decor.

 

[RJDiogenes]

I'd have to rewatch the episode at this point. It's been years since I've seen it.

 

[Python Trek]

Were there a couple of gay or bi characters on Babylon 5? It's been a while since I last watched any episodes, and I have memory issues due to a medical condition, but I could have sworn there were at least two gay folks on B5. ???

Ivanova had feelings for both Talia and Marcus.

The Talia personality we knew for the first two seasons also appeared to have feelings for Ivanova.

Are these the characters you're thinking about?

That's it! Thanks!

 

[stj]

Bumping for the 8/15 episode. Jinks is back for some reason. Pairing the two straightest characters (uh, that's in the straight man in a comedy sense,) in the B plot pretty much guaranteed the B plot wouldn't have any levity to speak of. The tiresome serialized plot about a conspiracy against the warehouse added zero.

The A plot was low brow fun. I can see why they wanted Claudia in the A plot. But Myka was so useless in most of the A plot that they should have had her costar in the B plot with Artie. And Jinks could have done the boring mumbling about what's the boyfriend like. Why ever introduce a utility character to service the leads and forget to utilize him?

Making Jinks laid back and droll is one thing, the guy was just dull in this episode.

 

[Aeolusdallas]

Bumping for the 8/15 episode. Jinks is back for some reason. Pairing the two straightest characters (uh, that's in the straight man in a comedy sense,) in the B plot pretty much guaranteed the B plot wouldn't have any levity to speak of. The tiresome serialized plot about a conspiracy against the warehouse added zero.

The A plot was low brow fun. I can see why they wanted Claudia in the A plot. But Myka was so useless in most of the A plot that they should have had her costar in the B plot with Artie. And Jinks could have done the boring mumbling about what's the boyfriend like. Why ever introduce a utility character to service the leads and forget to utilize him?

Making Jinks laid back and droll is one thing, the guy was just dull in this episode.

Weren't you having a fit over them having an episode without him last week?

 

[Pingfah]

Were there a couple of gay or bi characters on Babylon 5? It's been a while since I last watched any episodes, and I have memory issues due to a medical condition, but I could have sworn there were at least two gay folks on B5. ???

Ivanova had feelings for both Talia and Marcus.

The Talia personality we knew for the first two seasons also appeared to have feelings for Ivanova.

Are these the characters you're thinking about?

IIRC it was implied that Talia and Susan had some sort of sexual encounter, although not shown.

 

[Aeolusdallas]

Were there a couple of gay or bi characters on Babylon 5? It's been a while since I last watched any episodes, and I have memory issues due to a medical condition, but I could have sworn there were at least two gay folks on B5. ???

Ivanova had feelings for both Talia and Marcus.

The Talia personality we knew for the first two seasons also appeared to have feelings for Ivanova.

Are these the characters you're thinking about?

IIRC it was implied that Talia and Susan had some sort of sexual encounter, although not shown.

Susan woke up in one episode and was surprised that Talia was not there.

 

[stj]

Bump for the Aug. 22 episode.

Claudia and Jinxy have the B-story. Artie gets to do his thing in the warehouse and on the Farnsworth for both A & B stories. There are no home scenes, so no Leena. One thing I've realized in this episode, is how Jinks' character is defined by his humor. He laughs at the jokes and engages in some of the repartee but he does so without any aggressive edge. More laugh with, than laugh at. The snark from the other characters isn't nearly so genial (to say the least.) Apart from the sociological interest of the character, the additional niceness and calm helps center what I've felt to be too frenetic and splenetic a series.

 

[RJDiogenes]

You find the show to be not genial? The reason it's my current favorite show is that it has so much heart.

 

[stj]

I quit watching Warehouse 13 until I wanted to see how US television handled a gay character in an action role. Part of it was because I don't find the steampunkish elements very appealing, but mostly it was because there's no sane reason Pete and Myka can't go ahead and resolve their sexual tension.

Sometimes, she was too bitchy and he was too childish for them ever to fall for each other, and their so-called banter had an undercurrent of real contempt. Other times, they were both too cartoonish and their so-called banter was as serious as the Marx Brothers (except when it was as serious as the Three Stooges.) If it turn it into a farce, the romance disappears. This unevenness seemed to be a product of the determination to keep them apart, regardless of violence to emotional logic of two adults.

To put it another way, making them preadolescents kept them from doing the dirty. I was never bothered by the thought of them doing it, so the fifth gradeness was tiresome. They've moderated some of the Pete/Myka, partly by incorporating Claudia and doing a paternal Artie/Claudia. But Claudia is really mouthy. And Artie has always been about exasperation and bossiness. Jinks is more like an adult.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Many people don't believe it's a good idea to be involved with co-workers. And when they met, Myka had only recently been romantically involved with a co-worker who had been killed. There has been nothing adolescent about their relationship at all.

 

[Aeolusdallas]

Many people don't believe it's a good idea to be involved with co-workers. And when they met, Myka had only recently been romantically involved with a co-worker who had been killed. There has been nothing adolescent about their relationship at all.

Yeah last episode really highlighted that.

 

[stj]

Bumping the thread for the 8/29 episode.

So, the gay guy's going. I gather there will be a return as part of the confrontation of the regents storyline. But, bye bye pesky problems with the love interest!

I read someplace that reviled minorities first are dirty jokes, then sinister villains, next tragic heroes and finally, actual characters. It seems that we are not to the actual character point. My hope is that Jinks will get killed in facing up to the questions about the regents, even more hopefully, nobly. But internet speculation (IMDB chat, really) is that Jinks may be the time-traveling villain in the wheelchair. Which would make US TV scifi even more backward than I feared.

The wonderful thing about SF, that no other branch of literature or drama can approach, is that it can be about where we might really be going. If you remember that, US TV scifi's treatment of gays is still shockingly reactionary.
As is commonly noted.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I think you may have built this character up into something it was never intended to be.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Indeed. If they thought there were "problems" with the character, they just wouldn't have used him to begin with. As I noted before, the fact that he's not with the others in the title sequence indicates that he was always intended to be a recurring or temporary character.

 

[Neroon]

Indeed. If they thought there were "problems" with the character, they just wouldn't have used him to begin with. As I noted before, the fact that he's not with the others in the title sequence indicates that he was always intended to be a recurring or temporary character.

That could easily change over time, as we've seen with other shows and characters that started out in similar fashion.

 

[Aeolusdallas]

Bumping the thread for the 8/29 episode.

So, the gay guy's going. I gather there will be a return as part of the confrontation of the regents storyline. But, bye bye pesky problems with the love interest!

I read someplace that reviled minorities first are dirty jokes, then sinister villains, next tragic heroes and finally, actual characters. It seems that we are not to the actual character point. My hope is that Jinks will get killed in facing up to the questions about the regents, even more hopefully, nobly. But internet speculation (IMDB chat, really) is that Jinks may be the time-traveling villain in the wheelchair. Which would make US TV scifi even more backward than I feared.

The wonderful thing about SF, that no other branch of literature or drama can approach, is that it can be about where we might really be going. If you remember that, US TV scifi's treatment of gays is still shockingly reactionary.
As is commonly noted.

Or you know Mrs. Fredrick sent him to infiltrate the big Bads organization.....

 

[RJDiogenes]

^^ The thought crossed my mind. I hope that's the case.

Indeed. If they thought there were "problems" with the character, they just wouldn't have used him to begin with. As I noted before, the fact that he's not with the others in the title sequence indicates that he was always intended to be a recurring or temporary character.

That could easily change over time, as we've seen with other shows and characters that started out in similar fashion.

I hope so. I like the character and his relationship with Claudia.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

steampunkish elements very appealing.

Dieselpunk. The Warehouse is clearly early 20th century style in its archetecture and tech, and the gadgets are post industrial revolution early integrated electronics stuff (Edison, Tesla, etc). Steampunk is victorian-era stuff with... y'know, actual steam.

Pedantically yours,

Herkimer Jitty

XOXO

 

[stj]

The show needs somebody besides Artie to play off Claudia. Artie is supposed to be at the warehouse and do the Farnsworth thing with Pete and Myka. If Claudia has somebody to partner with, she can lead in her B-story and the occasional A-story. And they can still have the occasional warehouse-set or boarding house-set stories where the cast expands. I thought Jinks' quieter personality nicely offset the freneticness of the main characters. Which come to think of it is why I tend to enjoy Leena when she's on. Since they needed another character to partner with Claudia, thinking they had created one was pretty logical.

Also, neither Genelle Williams nor Alison Scagliotti started with main cast credits.

The suggestion that Jinks was sent to infiltrate the bad guys wouldn't make sense because the bad guys would be the ones to initiate an approach. Of course, this is Warehouse 13 and sense may be optional. I don't think Ashmore will be back. I anticipate that the character will die for good in, I think, the Sept. 19 episode.

Thanks for the dieselpunk clarification. Retro SF of this kind isn't very appealing to me and the finer points are lost. (Retro SF is sort of oxymoronic.)