Sybok..20 years later
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You had me until the end. i see no difference with the introduction of DAVID and the introduction of SYBOK. The only difference is that one of the movies was successful the other wasn't.
And i would argue that nimoy's UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY angered Roddenberry far more than V, from what i have read. Introducing a rogue element with in starfleet, shades of sec-31, was far more damaging to Roddenberry's legacy than the introduction of a vulcan brother to spock.
Dont get me wrong, I love sec-31. But it is of well known 'rumor' that Roddenberry flipped out after seeing the UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY and died not more than two days later. Did the movie kill him? I doubt it. But according to sackett he was pissed...
And i would argue that nimoy's UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY angered Roddenberry far more than V, from what i have read. Introducing a rogue element with in starfleet, shades of sec-31, was far more damaging to Roddenberry's legacy than the introduction of a vulcan brother to spock.
Dont get me wrong, I love sec-31. But it is of well known 'rumor' that Roddenberry flipped out after seeing the UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY and died not more than two days later. Did the movie kill him? I doubt it. But according to sackett he was pissed...
Remember that one of the early ideas for Star Trek VI was that Saavik would have been revealed as the traitor aboard the Enterprise.
Roddenberry's reaction to that was that she was a beloved character and she wasn't to be tarnished.
Nick Meyer's reaction to Roddenberry's objection was that Meyer created Saavik, not Roddenberry, and when Roddenberry gave back any money he earned off of Saavik then Meyer might actually care what Roddenberry thought.
Roddenberry's objections to the film were very early in story and script stage. And Meyer walked out on a meeting with Roddenberry. Meyer didn't have to take Roddenberry's advice, and he didn't. At all.
Harve Bennett had tried to be polite to Roddenberry during his decade producing Star Trek movies, and Roddenberry did what he could to sabotage Bennett in the eyes of fandom. Meyer wasn't going to play that game, and if Roddenberry didn't like it, then so be it.
Saavik changed to Valeris because Kirstie Alley wasn't available or wasn't interested. It had nothing to do with Gene Roddenberry.
What Roddenberry thought of the finished version of Star Trek VI we'll never really know for certain.
Roddenberry's reaction to that was that she was a beloved character and she wasn't to be tarnished.
Nick Meyer's reaction to Roddenberry's objection was that Meyer created Saavik, not Roddenberry, and when Roddenberry gave back any money he earned off of Saavik then Meyer might actually care what Roddenberry thought.
Roddenberry's objections to the film were very early in story and script stage. And Meyer walked out on a meeting with Roddenberry. Meyer didn't have to take Roddenberry's advice, and he didn't. At all.
Harve Bennett had tried to be polite to Roddenberry during his decade producing Star Trek movies, and Roddenberry did what he could to sabotage Bennett in the eyes of fandom. Meyer wasn't going to play that game, and if Roddenberry didn't like it, then so be it.
Saavik changed to Valeris because Kirstie Alley wasn't available or wasn't interested. It had nothing to do with Gene Roddenberry.
What Roddenberry thought of the finished version of Star Trek VI we'll never really know for certain.
I know both of GR's assistants, Susan Sackett and Ernie Over. Ernie was GR's chauffeur and full-time carer. He was with GR in the theaterette to see ST VI. He said GR's comment as the credits rolled was, "I'm sure the fans will love it."
Gene was really too ill to do all the ranting and phone calling many people have ascribed to that day.
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