Courtesy of Trekcore. I never realised Kalara was the third of the Franklin survivors! I figured she was just someone Keal hired to help.
Spoilers Surviving Franklin crew
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Yeah, I kinda figured after the reveal that Krall was actually Captain Edison that Kalara and the other guy were members of the Franklin crew. I just kinda wondered why they changed their names? I realize that they couldn't refer to Krall as Captain Edison or Balthazar the whole movie and expect us to be shocked by the reveal, but in-movie, what was the purpose of the Franklin crew giving themselves alien names? Perhaps to match their alien bodies?
I read an interview with Simon Pegg or Doug Jung where they discussed the names. "Krall" began as the name of the life-extending Vampire technology the Ancients used, which Edison adopted for himself.
I'm curious about the language they speak. I imagine it's that of the Ancients themselves?
I'm curious about the language they speak. I imagine it's that of the Ancients themselves?
Edison was already upset at Starfleet and The Federation for abandoning them. So with that anger, mixed in with years of being on a planet where the rules can be made up (especially when powerful alien tech is found), things are bound to happen to the mind - we saw a bit of this change in the video Uhura looked at. The crew that followed Edison probably followed him out of the need for survival as well as loyalty.
Since the crew changed over time, they must have thought of themselves as 'better' than their former human selves. Hence, the name changes.
Since the crew changed over time, they must have thought of themselves as 'better' than their former human selves. Hence, the name changes.
Makes sense. Edison may have hated alien scum originally, but his whole philosophy flipped from being the one to push frontiers to being the frontier that pushes back. The basic hatred and fear of the unknown (in this case, of a society where being alien doesn't mean being scum) would still remain.
One wonders what happened to the rest of the original crew. IIRC, Edison's logs contain the following distinct stages: cheerful departure, first report of being stranded, then reports of remaining stranded, and then of just three of them surviving, with the declaration of an intent for revenge. Supposedly, then, the rest of the crew only gradually died out, not in the initial crash (if there even was one - the ship is intact and level on the ground, after all).
So, did the others just starve or something? Did they fall prey to the drone force (was it even hostile to anybody without commands)? Did they fall prey to other castaways who had ended up on Altamid for more conventional reasons (lost in the rubble field, say) and degenerated to savages? Did they fight Edison on policy ("Hey, let's take off and at least try to get home!") and get killed for their troubles?
Timo Saloniemi
One wonders what happened to the rest of the original crew. IIRC, Edison's logs contain the following distinct stages: cheerful departure, first report of being stranded, then reports of remaining stranded, and then of just three of them surviving, with the declaration of an intent for revenge. Supposedly, then, the rest of the crew only gradually died out, not in the initial crash (if there even was one - the ship is intact and level on the ground, after all).
So, did the others just starve or something? Did they fall prey to the drone force (was it even hostile to anybody without commands)? Did they fall prey to other castaways who had ended up on Altamid for more conventional reasons (lost in the rubble field, say) and degenerated to savages? Did they fight Edison on policy ("Hey, let's take off and at least try to get home!") and get killed for their troubles?
Timo Saloniemi
I think Edison ate his crew
I have a theory that as their bodies changed it became harder and harder to speak english.
We see the reverse happening with Krall, he starts out with extremely broken English but speaks more normally after absorbing some humans.
But wouldn't that have made him look more human? Unless he did it at the beginning, a century before Beyond and had been feasting on aliens ever since.
Sound logic.
I like to think Edison/Krall fought and drained a few Jem'Hadar, hence the vaguely similar look.
He doesn't really, though one of the aliens that menaces Scotty does bear a similarity iirc (scaley with a similar pattern of spines)
Some of the lines of his face, the colouration and texture. It's nowhere near as close as some claimed when the first picture of Krall appeared (and as Fennius points out, one of the scavengers looks more like them), but with his Vamping tech I think it's cool to think those vague similarities may stem from the Franklin survivors fighting and defeating some Jem'Hadar.
Or generic Lizard People, at any rate.
The idea that Krall loses command of English because of eating so many aliens is a delicious one. It might also be argued, though, that he comes from an era where translating still happened with the help of trained specialists and handheld boxes a lot. Perhaps he simply forgot his native tongue after mainly exchanging ideas with the Altamid drone species? Or developed his thick accent after spending a full century in the company of a very small company of English speakers who degenerated language-wise alongside him?
Timo Saloniemi
The idea that Krall loses command of English because of eating so many aliens is a delicious one. It might also be argued, though, that he comes from an era where translating still happened with the help of trained specialists and handheld boxes a lot. Perhaps he simply forgot his native tongue after mainly exchanging ideas with the Altamid drone species? Or developed his thick accent after spending a full century in the company of a very small company of English speakers who degenerated language-wise alongside him?
Timo Saloniemi
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