I enjoyed his Batman work but that is all I've read of him.
Surely Jeph Loeb sucks?
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Well, uh ... yeah.
Thespeckledkiwi
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You know who else sucks...Grant Morrison...GAH!
Loeb has written some good stories, but his output for quite a while (since around the time his son died, really) has been bad. Superman/Batman really started the current trend of really stupid stories. The only decent thing he's written in years was Fallen Son (parts of it, anyway; #5 was a genuinely great story).
But he sells really well, so he gets to do whatever he wants (or close to it, anyway).
But he sells really well, so he gets to do whatever he wants (or close to it, anyway).
Early Jeph Loeb -- Challengers of the Unknown through Superman for All Seasons, if not Dark Victory (so, 1991 to 1999) -- is a solidly engaging writer. I don't think his work has ever returned to the pinnacle of his Legends of the Dark Knight Halloween Specials, which were sublime.
I just don't "get" his Marvel work. His "color" books with Tim Sale haven't resonated with me, though I did enjoy the preview issue of Captain America: White (and I normally detest Captain America, and that series has up and vanished from Marvel's schedule completely).
I just don't "get" his Marvel work. His "color" books with Tim Sale haven't resonated with me, though I did enjoy the preview issue of Captain America: White (and I normally detest Captain America, and that series has up and vanished from Marvel's schedule completely).
I wonder how many people here realize that? Before comics, Leob's only notable contribution to entertainment were Teen Wolf and Ahnold's "Commando".
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Thespeckledkiwi
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Yes. RIP Batman was horrible and his work on Final Crisis...blech.
I am relieved to see people come to their sense about the infestation we know as "Jeph Loeb". This being is the god of mediocrity. Nothing says "cheap and pointless" like having his name on a script, movie, tv, OR comic book. Look at a quick trend:
Smallville: Season one was a decent tweeny show about Clark's early days. Then, Season Two begins with Jeph Loeb's name added to the credits. The show turns into a silly, comic book soap opera trying to disguise itself as a teen drama. The show simply goes downhill, creatively, from there.
LOST: Arguably one of the best shows ever made in its first season. Then, Season Two begins with Jeph Loeb's name added to the credits. We get the "Season of Flashback" where nothing actually progresses the main story. The show continues to slip in quality and ratings, until he is fired at the beginning of the fourth season for an actual writer (Brian K. Vaughn).
Heroes: Ditto! Season One? Great. Jeph Loeb joins in Season Two and the show just begins to wander, while falling back on the most basic and cheesiest of comic book cliches.
Comic Books: Jeph Loeb doesn't write Superman comics. He takes an old Silver Age issue of a DC comic, and simply regurgitates it almost down to the panel and then sends it in for DC to publish again in the current Superman/Batman titles. But, see, it's all "post-Crisis", so he's a 'genius' for retelling the stories according to Superman fans age 49-85. Hush is a series of 'shocking moments' that WI$ARD Magazine can write side-pieces about.....moments so shocking they make no real sense in comparison to the rest of the DCU. The Long Halloween is an incredibly overrated Tim Sale piece that rips off any basic Masterpiece Theater mystery series. In fact, unless you're into Tim Sale...like, really into him....there is nothing distinguishable about Jeph Loeb's comic book work. That is, except to rate it the worst insult to readers ever. Remember....there was a time when everyone l-o-v-e-d Rob Liefeld's work.
People, fear the name Jeph Loeb. He is the King of Plot-Stall. The Duke of Plot Padding and Dragging. The Master of Vapid Shock-Value Writing. Pray that you don't see his name creep up in your favorite opening credits. Pray you never see it printed in your favorite comic. For he has no imagination, no creativity, and he leaves a scar of mediocrity in his wake.
The Anti-Christ. Global Warming. Skynet. Jeph Loeb.
Think about it...
Smallville: Season one was a decent tweeny show about Clark's early days. Then, Season Two begins with Jeph Loeb's name added to the credits. The show turns into a silly, comic book soap opera trying to disguise itself as a teen drama. The show simply goes downhill, creatively, from there.
LOST: Arguably one of the best shows ever made in its first season. Then, Season Two begins with Jeph Loeb's name added to the credits. We get the "Season of Flashback" where nothing actually progresses the main story. The show continues to slip in quality and ratings, until he is fired at the beginning of the fourth season for an actual writer (Brian K. Vaughn).
Heroes: Ditto! Season One? Great. Jeph Loeb joins in Season Two and the show just begins to wander, while falling back on the most basic and cheesiest of comic book cliches.
Comic Books: Jeph Loeb doesn't write Superman comics. He takes an old Silver Age issue of a DC comic, and simply regurgitates it almost down to the panel and then sends it in for DC to publish again in the current Superman/Batman titles. But, see, it's all "post-Crisis", so he's a 'genius' for retelling the stories according to Superman fans age 49-85. Hush is a series of 'shocking moments' that WI$ARD Magazine can write side-pieces about.....moments so shocking they make no real sense in comparison to the rest of the DCU. The Long Halloween is an incredibly overrated Tim Sale piece that rips off any basic Masterpiece Theater mystery series. In fact, unless you're into Tim Sale...like, really into him....there is nothing distinguishable about Jeph Loeb's comic book work. That is, except to rate it the worst insult to readers ever. Remember....there was a time when everyone l-o-v-e-d Rob Liefeld's work.
People, fear the name Jeph Loeb. He is the King of Plot-Stall. The Duke of Plot Padding and Dragging. The Master of Vapid Shock-Value Writing. Pray that you don't see his name creep up in your favorite opening credits. Pray you never see it printed in your favorite comic. For he has no imagination, no creativity, and he leaves a scar of mediocrity in his wake.
The Anti-Christ. Global Warming. Skynet. Jeph Loeb.
Think about it...
Loeb never wrote an episode of LOST. His son died during the season and his name was kept up for contract reasons.
How is he any worse the Frank Miller? Anyone reading All Star Batman & Robin? Ugh!
It didn't.
It didn't.
Riiight...
Frank Miller and Jeph Loeb both suck to just about equal amounts, but for different reasons. Frank Miller sucks because he's a misogynistic psychopath who is obsessed with violence and little else. Jeph Loeb sucks because he's been writing the exact same story (murder mystery that somehow, through whatever machinations necessary, involves just about every villain from a given character's rogues' gallery) for his entire career. (That, and for the last several years, the MY SON fetish he's had going on.)
If you don't take it seriously, it'S funny as hell, in a weird demented way.
Yes.
Well sort of. When Superman's involved or when its some weird Indy, Alternative book its usually good. "Good" being relative because it always flies over my head. If I want a mind-fuck I'll trip acid. But anything else from him is always awful IMO.
I enjoy Morrison. I thought Final Crisis was good up until the fucked up ending but I enjoyed RIP and the arcs before it.
