Spoilers Supernatural - Season 12
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I wonder if Sam will be possessed yet again? I hope the answer is yes!
I have set my PVR for next Monday.
More time travel? WW2? Ugh
And we're back... Sammy is definitely not a person you should try torturing for information. One would think the whole "Lucifer tortured him in a cage for a year" would be a tip-off for the all-knowing, all-seeing, British men-of-letters. Also, it sounds as if Britain hasn't really had to deal with anything major in decades (other than random low-level demons who get on the wrong flight). They're like high-tech TSA agents who think they're really SEAL Team Six. It wouldn't surprise me if the British men-of-letters are unknowingly working for the smarter breed of monsters who point them at low-level demons to keep everybody busy and controlled.
I don't really care for the so called Women of Letters, who are portayed as despicable, heartless, and vicious Hunters who torture Sam to get information. While I can appreciate a good female villain, I find it rather misogynistic to portray them as overtly sadistic bitches.
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Sam did bring up a great point about these Brits of Letters elite strike force. Where the hell have they been this whole time? Other than the fact that they were invented for the show at the end of last season. You're not a bad ass if you just stand on the sidelines refusing to help.
That's sort of what the Men of Letters did though. They were the watchers. Hunters were the doers.
So in that exposition scene, they were watching... themselves?
I have no idea what you're referring to.
They clearly work with the hunters of Britain, of which the other chick was one. But the Men of Letters, from day one, have always been watchers. They've made that pretty clear over the last few seasons. Which is precisely why they were considered a myth to the American hunters.
In this episode, she even explained that they had to fight with their top council for the power to actually act, all due to the chaos the Winchesters have been brewing up in recent years.
I loved Castiel's landing. 
But the scene where Mary was staring lovingly at Baby's backseat will go down in history as one of my all-time favorite Supernatural scenes.
I hope they get a lot of mileage out of Mary's culture shock, but I hope she gets over her dislike of the lifestyle quickly. The dynamics of a threesome composed of two brothers and their younger mother will be great, and I want her to be a permanent part of the team, not just a plot for the season.
I'm not as happy with the British MOL as I expected. Sure, they're doing their job and they have a nice proactive approach, but the fact that they've been watching Sam and Dean without ever offering assistance, and the fact that they so eagerly torture people, does not make them very sympathetic.
But the scene where Mary was staring lovingly at Baby's backseat will go down in history as one of my all-time favorite Supernatural scenes. I hope they get a lot of mileage out of Mary's culture shock, but I hope she gets over her dislike of the lifestyle quickly. The dynamics of a threesome composed of two brothers and their younger mother will be great, and I want her to be a permanent part of the team, not just a plot for the season.
I'm not as happy with the British MOL as I expected. Sure, they're doing their job and they have a nice proactive approach, but the fact that they've been watching Sam and Dean without ever offering assistance, and the fact that they so eagerly torture people, does not make them very sympathetic.
A bigger problem is that it also means they lack basic self preservation skills. The world nearly came to an end like what? Four, five times now? Whether they want to get involved in whatever mess the Yanks had gotten themselves into, they'd be suicidal to choose to sit them all out.
Unless they think they've warded the entire British Isles sufficiently that it can survive Armageddon unscathed. Even then, what kind of existence is that?
That all said, part of me is tickled by the irony of the Brits being the pig-headed isolationists and the Yanks the ones hip-deep in the fight. Maybe that's intentional? Perhaps the American chapter basically abandoned the European chapters when the Nazi necromancers were running amok, so after they won without them the Brits though, "right, sod 'ya then!" and went about only looking out for themselves? Still short sighted in the long run, but it's a credible narrative nonetheless.
I don't mind them being unsympathetic, but I'd rather they weren't so irrational. Why go in so heavy? What do they think Sam knows that they can only get by force and why is it suddenly so important?
It feels like bad writing to portray them as being simultaneously hyper-effectual and seemingly incompetent. It doesn't add up.
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^^ Right, it makes no sense that they would move in so aggressively, rather than just introducing themselves and having a nice conversation over a spot of tea. John Steed is rolling over in his grave.
I enjoyed the first ep, and think it has potential. Not sure what Mary brings to the show; hope they have a plan for her. Cas is really underpowered now, isn't he!
I didn't mind the British MoL being baddies. I am sure a more nuanced view of them will emerge later in the series. There does seem to be an anti-Brit bias in the set-up, though, what with blondie's stereotypical Hollywood Brit villain accent, their warding policy in the UK seems analogous to UK law enforcement's use of CCTV surveillance, and their attitude toward the US seems kind of colonial. (Did anyone notice that the henchwoman's accent was actually Australian?)
I enjoyed the big burly male demon with 14 y.o. girl emotional issues, kinda wish he'd stayed around longer..
Did anyone else expect the vet to say "Hey, my phone!"?
Sam's imprisonment has a couple of things that ring false: The exterior doors of the cellar look so flimsy that I imagine Sam could just lean against them and they'd fly open. Also, there's no way Sam got such a large pool of blood just by cutting his hand. To get that much blood so quickly, you'd need to open an artery, which is a serious injury. It might have been better if he'd faked drowning in the sink.
I assume Sam will be rescued in ep 2, but am kind of hoping they spin it out till ep 3, so that Sam and his captor can get to know each other a bit better, and Sam can try another cunning escape plan.
I didn't mind the British MoL being baddies. I am sure a more nuanced view of them will emerge later in the series. There does seem to be an anti-Brit bias in the set-up, though, what with blondie's stereotypical Hollywood Brit villain accent, their warding policy in the UK seems analogous to UK law enforcement's use of CCTV surveillance, and their attitude toward the US seems kind of colonial. (Did anyone notice that the henchwoman's accent was actually Australian?)
I enjoyed the big burly male demon with 14 y.o. girl emotional issues, kinda wish he'd stayed around longer..
Did anyone else expect the vet to say "Hey, my phone!"?
Sam's imprisonment has a couple of things that ring false: The exterior doors of the cellar look so flimsy that I imagine Sam could just lean against them and they'd fly open. Also, there's no way Sam got such a large pool of blood just by cutting his hand. To get that much blood so quickly, you'd need to open an artery, which is a serious injury. It might have been better if he'd faked drowning in the sink.
I assume Sam will be rescued in ep 2, but am kind of hoping they spin it out till ep 3, so that Sam and his captor can get to know each other a bit better, and Sam can try another cunning escape plan.
That's an interesting idea. Maybe it will turn out that the British MoL collaborated with Nazi occult groups during/after WWII (akin to the US using Nazi scientists in its space program), and in consequence have been infiltrated at the highest levels. So which monsters are calling the shots: shapeshifters, vampires, demons, or the return of leviathans?
