Supernatural: "Sam, Interrupted" 5x11 1/21/2010 Grading & Discussion
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Now all the fan girls are asking for pudding pops.
Now all the fan girls are asking for pudding pops.
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What is really amazing is not only did we see an increase from the last original in both viewers and adult 18-49 (which has happened only in one other season of the show, we typically take a hit), but or lead in was at or tying all time lows in adults 18-49, adults 18-34 and women 18-34.
We are up compared to last year (when we returned from break in all three demo groups), and down in viewers a mere 4.4% (which frankly no one at the CW cares about, since demos are what pay the bills).
Compared to two years ago, we are down 3.4% in viewers even with adults 18-49, and up 25% in adults 18-34 (the general demo the CW seeks out). Can't compare women as I don't have that data, but we have seen an even larger increase almost certainly.
Every other 9pm show is down (in I believe every case a minimum of 10% some over 25% in viewers and demos).
And last year when we returned or lead in was much stronger in viewers and adults 18-49 (two years even more so in adults 18-49 and in adults 18-34).
We are the only show on the CW that aired previously that is up in any demo group, and out of all shows we are the one that has had the smallest decline in any demo group (that doesn't have growth) and in total viewers.
Heck we even beat the well received debut of Life Unexpected (which actually was pretty damn good) in both viewers and adults 18-49.
And here is the real kicker. With Smallville a show that had an audience about 60% male and 40% women, we had a marginally larger male audience. Now with VD which has a female audience of about 60% and a male audience about 40%, we for the last eight episodes have an what appears to be an equal 50% split male and female. We have changed (to the best of the data I have a total of 2% from last year in the breakdown between men and women (women with a slight lead thinks to the first three weeks of this season). We have lost almost no male viewers with the loss of Smallville has a leadin, and we have gained a small number of women.
Where we have lost viewers (and in sizable numbers) is the 25-54 year audience. Which Smallville actually still (even on Friday's) scores fairly well in.
And out of the three primary age demo groups, that is the group that produces the smallest amount of revenue. So even though we have fewer viewers we should be making the network more money then the last three seasons have.
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What is really amazing is not only did we see an increase from the last original in both viewers and adult 18-49 (which has happened only in one other season of the show, we typically take a hit), but or lead in was at or tying all time lows in adults 18-49, adults 18-34 and women 18-34.
We are up compared to last year (when we returned from break in all three demo groups), and down in viewers a mere 4.4% (which frankly no one at the CW cares about, since demos are what pay the bills).
Compared to two years ago, we are down 3.4% in viewers even with adults 18-49, and up 25% in adults 18-34 (the general demo the CW seeks out). Can't compare women as I don't have that data, but we have seen an even larger increase almost certainly.
Every other 9pm show is down (in I believe every case a minimum of 10% some over 25% in viewers and demos).
And last year when we returned or lead in was much stronger in viewers and adults 18-49 (two years even more so in adults 18-49 and in adults 18-34).
We are the only show on the CW that aired previously that is up in any demo group, and out of all shows we are the one that has had the smallest decline in any demo group (that doesn't have growth) and in total viewers.
Heck we even beat the well received debut of Life Unexpected (which actually was pretty damn good) in both viewers and adults 18-49.
And here is the real kicker. With Smallville a show that had an audience about 60% male and 40% women, we had a marginally larger male audience. Now with VD which has a female audience of about 60% and a male audience about 40%, we for the last eight episodes have an what appears to be an equal 50% split male and female. We have changed (to the best of the data I have a total of 2% from last year in the breakdown between men and women (women with a slight lead thinks to the first three weeks of this season). We have lost almost no male viewers with the loss of Smallville has a leadin, and we have gained a small number of women.
Where we have lost viewers (and in sizable numbers) is the 25-54 year audience. Which Smallville actually still (even on Friday's) scores fairly well in.
And out of the three primary age demo groups, that is the group that produces the smallest amount of revenue. So even though we have fewer viewers we should be making the network more money then the last three seasons have.
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Now on to the episode.
It was ok. I loved that they haven't swept under the rug that these two guys are deeply, deeply scarred individuals (as I hope to see a lot of this next season if we indeed have a renewal).
But, I think the acting was fairly week for Jensen and Jared, not bad. But not up to what the material really should have had. Compare this to Jared in the next to last episode last season and he was far stronger (though the episode really dug into his screwed up state of mind), or Jensen in his brilliant performance in the great episode "On the head of a Pin".
I have nothing against stand alone, as a rule. As many of them are great. But this wasn't one of them. I do what to say that I thought the guest cast were pretty good. In its own way it reminds me of Folsom Prison Blues which was another episode that just touched upon the setting they were in, instead of really showing the true dramatic state they would be in.
So just an average hour for the show.
Now on to the episode.
It was ok. I loved that they haven't swept under the rug that these two guys are deeply, deeply scarred individuals (as I hope to see a lot of this next season if we indeed have a renewal).
But, I think the acting was fairly week for Jensen and Jared, not bad. But not up to what the material really should have had. Compare this to Jared in the next to last episode last season and he was far stronger (though the episode really dug into his screwed up state of mind), or Jensen in his brilliant performance in the great episode "On the head of a Pin".
I have nothing against stand alone, as a rule. As many of them are great. But this wasn't one of them. I do what to say that I thought the guest cast were pretty good. In its own way it reminds me of Folsom Prison Blues which was another episode that just touched upon the setting they were in, instead of really showing the true dramatic state they would be in.
So just an average hour for the show.
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that scene where Sam was strapped to the bed in the padded room reminded me of when he was strapped in Bobby's isolation room so that he could detox from the demon blood from last season
that scene where Sam was strapped to the bed in the padded room reminded me of when he was strapped in Bobby's isolation room so that he could detox from the demon blood from last season
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I can't agree that it was average. It showed how fucked up they are and that they don't have any time to navel gaze anymore. That time's past. Dean says "suck it up" and really....what else can he say? You wanted to be treated like an adult, kid. That they both desperately need help and need time to heal is the tragedy of it. They're teetering on that edge.
I can't agree that it was average. It showed how fucked up they are and that they don't have any time to navel gaze anymore. That time's past. Dean says "suck it up" and really....what else can he say? You wanted to be treated like an adult, kid. That they both desperately need help and need time to heal is the tragedy of it. They're teetering on that edge.
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That's what I liked about the episode (the underlying issues that they aren't dealing with), but I don't think the dialogue or the acting was anywhere near strong enough for it to be ringing true with those characters.
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No mention of it this episode. After finding out that it wouldn't kill Lucifer, I imagine it's not such a prize anymore. I don't think they lost it, no, but Lucifer's got no reason to be afraid of it so it's not a priority for him to acquire.
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But how do you shake it off that you released Lucifer and killed half the state of Missouri? Carthage went bye bye because of Sam. Then there's the thing about your two good friends Ellen and Jo blowing themselves to smithereens so you can succeed in killing the devil--which you didn't. I don't think prozac's gonna stave off that depressed feeling. 
But how do you shake it off that you released Lucifer and killed half the state of Missouri?
Carthage went bye bye because of Sam. Then there's the thing about your two good friends Ellen and Jo blowing themselves to smithereens so you can succeed in killing the devil--which you didn't. I don't think prozac's gonna stave off that depressed feeling. Re: Supernatural: "Sam, Interrupted" 5x11 1/21/2010 Grading & Discussi
No, its the 'It's all our fault' thing. They were specifically manipulated into triggering the Apocalypse. Maybe that is what Sam is really angry about.
But how do you shake it off that you released Lucifer and killed half the state of Missouri?
No, its the 'It's all our fault' thing. They were specifically manipulated into triggering the Apocalypse. Maybe that is what Sam is really angry about.
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I hear what you're saying, but heroes, even flawed heroes, tend to blame themselves.
I hear what you're saying, but heroes, even flawed heroes, tend to blame themselves.
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Lara Gilchrist
Damn she's hot!
Found her!
Lara Gilchrist
Damn she's hot!
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Looks like she was in the scarecrow episode too
Looks like she was in the scarecrow episode too
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I mean we have Dean who not being able to live with himself failing Sam (even though it wasn't his fault) giving his life and soul up. In hell for 30 years of torment, he starts torturing other souls for ten years thus starting the cycle of the apocalypse. Just the thirty years of torment, no one on earth really can fathom (I would assume that it equals the very worst torture on earth or worse). Then Dean has to deal with those memories, then the memories of another ten years inflicting that pain on others. Then he has to live with the guilt that if he hadn't broke then the apocalypse wouldn't have started. Right their is enough to haunt a soul for the rest of his days.
Then we have Sam, who couldn't leave with the guilt of failing to save Dean from Hell (and knowing he didn't do everything he could to save him). Funny thing he couldn't have done the same thing he did a year later, and if he saved Dean, no Rising of Lucifer. SO Dean really should have let him explore that option. Or just let Sam stay dead. Oh well. So Sam, goes all revenge crazy on Lilith lost in his grief and pain. THen he discovers Dean is a live and that if they don't stop Lilith Lucifer rises. So Sam (eventually) gives in does what he thinks and is told must be done, losing himself and stops Lilith. Losing a good part of himself and his humanity in the process. So he feels guilt about that, regret over that, and anger over being played.
YEah thats enough to haunt him for the rest of his days.
And that isn't even knowing that Lucifer plans to use him to destroy all of humanity.
If anything the show isn't giving the characters anywhere near the amount of emotional damage that they would in fact be feeling.
Of course, even I (who loves it Dark and depressing) don't want the show to truly go as dark as it really should for the situations they are in.
While it is true that they neither deliberately caused the events that are killing so many, but face it you would still feel unimaginable regret, anger, and grief over them. Its on a scale nearly unimaginable for us to envision.
I mean we have Dean who not being able to live with himself failing Sam (even though it wasn't his fault) giving his life and soul up. In hell for 30 years of torment, he starts torturing other souls for ten years thus starting the cycle of the apocalypse. Just the thirty years of torment, no one on earth really can fathom (I would assume that it equals the very worst torture on earth or worse). Then Dean has to deal with those memories, then the memories of another ten years inflicting that pain on others. Then he has to live with the guilt that if he hadn't broke then the apocalypse wouldn't have started. Right their is enough to haunt a soul for the rest of his days.
Then we have Sam, who couldn't leave with the guilt of failing to save Dean from Hell (and knowing he didn't do everything he could to save him). Funny thing he couldn't have done the same thing he did a year later, and if he saved Dean, no Rising of Lucifer. SO Dean really should have let him explore that option. Or just let Sam stay dead. Oh well. So Sam, goes all revenge crazy on Lilith lost in his grief and pain. THen he discovers Dean is a live and that if they don't stop Lilith Lucifer rises. So Sam (eventually) gives in does what he thinks and is told must be done, losing himself and stops Lilith. Losing a good part of himself and his humanity in the process. So he feels guilt about that, regret over that, and anger over being played.
YEah thats enough to haunt him for the rest of his days.
And that isn't even knowing that Lucifer plans to use him to destroy all of humanity.
If anything the show isn't giving the characters anywhere near the amount of emotional damage that they would in fact be feeling.
Of course, even I (who loves it Dark and depressing) don't want the show to truly go as dark as it really should for the situations they are in.
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That's true. If Dean or Sam were real, they'd be in a padded room with all the guilt they'd feel.
That's true. If Dean or Sam were real, they'd be in a padded room with all the guilt they'd feel.
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Was anyone else a little bothered over Sam and Dean leaving the other hunter, and not trying-or even mentioning him after they escaped. He's gonna wind up being blamed for all those murders, the least they could have done was mention going back for him, but not having time or something.
Was anyone else a little bothered over Sam and Dean leaving the other hunter, and not trying-or even mentioning him after they escaped. He's gonna wind up being blamed for all those murders, the least they could have done was mention going back for him, but not having time or something.
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The other hunter told Dean to leave. I'm not sure they had much choice.
The other hunter told Dean to leave. I'm not sure they had much choice.
