Supernatural 6x9"Clap Your Hands If You Believe" spoilers/discussion

[RJDiogenes]

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Rest assured, Misha will be featured more heavily in the second half of the season. From his own mouth.

Good to know. He's a great addition to the team. Before the Season started, I thought it was all going to be about Sam and Dean going back to investigating urban legends and American folk tales with Cass kibitzing from the back seat.

 

[Thor Damar]

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^ That's funny because I thought that we would end up seeing Crowley popping up in the back seat with a startling regularity to chew the fat with his favorite humans.
(which kinda happened, except the whole 'being his little lackeys' angle. Oh, and I didn't expect that particular demon to end up in charge, I expected him to appear every so often as a fugitive from the rest of the demons. Like a bat out of Hell basically.)

 

[RJDiogenes]

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Actually, before we had a sixth Season, I expected the show to end up with Dean ruling in Heaven and Sam ruling in Hell; I'm starting to again think that something like that might happen after all.

 

[Aragorn]

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Actually, before we had a sixth Season, I expected the show to end up with Dean ruling in Heaven and Sam ruling in Hell; I'm starting to again think that something like that might happen after all.

And then the alien invasion hits?

 

[Thor Damar]

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. Now I'm starting to think that the Great Old Ones might make a cameo after all given how this season is going.

(interesting idea RJDiogenes. How did you come about it?)

 

[Mr. Adventure]

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Totally called Picardo being the villain, but he was fun in the role.

At least he got to beat Sam with a shillelagh. Sam seems to be having fun with being soulless as well, I gotta admit in some ways that would make life easier.

Before the leprechaun reveal I was thinking they should've got "Skinner" to play the role with the whole UFO angle.

I guess I was projecting a humanness on the fairy Dean nuked because I found it kind of disturbing to pop a little naked female. Though I liked the line about how he "pizza rolled Tinkerbell".

Did anyone catch the crack Sam made about the fairy lady's decor? I couldn't make it out.

Sam said it look like Sedona Arizona through up all over the room.
That episode was a lot of fun.

Ahh, thanks, though I guess I didn't miss much because I don't really understand what that means.

 

[Aeolusdallas]

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At least he got to beat Sam with a shillelagh. Sam seems to be having fun with being soulless as well, I gotta admit in some ways that would make life easier.

Before the leprechaun reveal I was thinking they should've got "Skinner" to play the role with the whole UFO angle.

I guess I was projecting a humanness on the fairy Dean nuked because I found it kind of disturbing to pop a little naked female. Though I liked the line about how he "pizza rolled Tinkerbell".

Did anyone catch the crack Sam made about the fairy lady's decor? I couldn't make it out.

Sam said it look like Sedona Arizona through up all over the room.
That episode was a lot of fun.

Ahh, thanks, though I guess I didn't miss much because I don't really understand what that means.

He means there is a lot of cheesy, cheap folksy , arts and crafts in her house. That is was tacky and cheap.

 

[Snaploud]

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Actually, before we had a sixth Season, I expected the show to end up with Dean ruling in Heaven and Sam ruling in Hell; I'm starting to again think that something like that might happen after all.

That would be a decent ending. It would certainly fit their personalities well enough. Are they still on good terms?

 

[RJDiogenes]

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Actually, before we had a sixth Season, I expected the show to end up with Dean ruling in Heaven and Sam ruling in Hell; I'm starting to again think that something like that might happen after all.

And then the alien invasion hits?

No, just fairies.

(interesting idea RJDiogenes. How did you come about it?)

It just came to me gradually over the season, because they were using so much Judeo-Christian mythology. It occurred to me that they might be creating a "Third Testament" that would be a total game changer, and that the Winchester boys would become the next major icons in the myth.

That would be a decent ending. It would certainly fit their personalities well enough. Are they still on good terms?

Not so much at the moment, with Sam lacking his soul. Dean's trying, though. It's like a role reversal of Season One.

 

[Aeolusdallas]

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Actually, before we had a sixth Season, I expected the show to end up with Dean ruling in Heaven and Sam ruling in Hell; I'm starting to again think that something like that might happen after all.

And then the alien invasion hits?

No, just fairies.

(interesting idea RJDiogenes. How did you come about it?)

It just came to me gradually over the season, because they were using so much Judeo-Christian mythology. It occurred to me that they might be creating a "Third Testament" that would be a total game changer, and that the Winchester boys would become the next major icons in the myth.

That would be a decent ending. It would certainly fit their personalities well enough. Are they still on good terms?

Not so much at the moment, with Sam lacking his soul. Dean's trying, though. It's like a role reversal of Season One.

It really is a role reversal of season one.

 

[Aragorn]

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So Sam is able to more or less pretend to be a normal person for about a year, but once the truth comes out about him not having a soul, he can't do it anymore?

It's sort of like on Sarah Connor Chronicles where Cameron seemed like an average human female at first, but once they found out she was a terminator, suddenly she couldn't pull it off.

 

[Snaploud]

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So Sam is able to more or less pretend to be a normal person for about a year, but once the truth comes out about him not having a soul, he can't do it anymore?

It's sort of like on Sarah Connor Chronicles where Cameron seemed like an average human female at first, but once they found out she was a terminator, suddenly she couldn't pull it off.

It has more to do with Sam just not wanting to try anymore. Besides, I doubt he had to do much pretending pre-Dean. He spent all his time hunting with people who didn't even know him. He probably just struck them as being a bit of a sociopath, and most of them were replaced by demons anyway.

 

[Aeolusdallas]

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So Sam is able to more or less pretend to be a normal person for about a year, but once the truth comes out about him not having a soul, he can't do it anymore?

It's sort of like on Sarah Connor Chronicles where Cameron seemed like an average human female at first, but once they found out she was a terminator, suddenly she couldn't pull it off.

He said he found pretending tiring and because Dean knew about the soul thing and asked him to be honest he quit trying to pretend anymore.

 

[Reverend]

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They directly address this in the episode. Sam said it's a relief not having to check his every word. I think his exact words were "it's exhausting." Personally I think Soulless Sam is hysterical and the actor is clearly having lots of fun with it: -
"Wow, third kind already? You'd better run dude because I'm pretty sure the fourth is a butt thing..."

 

[mswood]

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And then the alien invasion hits?

No, just fairies.


It just came to me gradually over the season, because they were using so much Judeo-Christian mythology. It occurred to me that they might be creating a "Third Testament" that would be a total game changer, and that the Winchester boys would become the next major icons in the myth.

That would be a decent ending. It would certainly fit their personalities well enough. Are they still on good terms?

Not so much at the moment, with Sam lacking his soul. Dean's trying, though. It's like a role reversal of Season One.

It really is a role reversal of season one.

How is it in anyway a role reversal of season one?

Season one featured with a Sam that was colder then Dean, less interested in saving others, then in seeking vengeance.

Dean's first season arc was in holding his brother together (and in larger term's) getting his family back together again.

Sam was driven to find John to get to the YED, Dean was out to keep Sam from falling apart,and to make sure Dad was safe.

On what each would or wouldn't do, Dean is perfectly willing in seasons one to kill a human who is using supernatural means to kill. Sam wants to talk first, and shoot later if they have to. Unless its regarding YED, then Sam is all in, and Dean is more cautious looking for safety of family first.

Dean has always been about, and very much still is Family first.

Really the only real role reversal is in that Sam is now having random sex, while Dean is the one dealing with no longer being in a relationship.

 

[mswood]

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They directly address this in the episode. Sam said it's a relief not having to check his every word. I think his exact words were "it's exhausting." Personally I think Soulless Sam is hysterical and the actor is clearly having lots of fun with it: -
"Wow, third kind already? You'd better run dude because I'm pretty sure the fourth is a butt thing..."

Yes but is that only really in relation to his time that he has been with Dean. We don't know if it really revers to the year that they were separated. As the Cambells sure seem use to a far different Sam then what Sam was portraying around Dean.

 

[RJDiogenes]

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How is it in anyway a role reversal of season one?

In Season One, Sam was the nice guy who wanted to settle down with his girl and Dean was the hard ass who saw no other life than hunting; now it's the other way around.

 

[Aeolusdallas]

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How is it in anyway a role reversal of season one?

In Season One, Sam was the nice guy who wanted to settle down with his girl and Dean was the hard ass who saw no other life than hunting; now it's the other way around.

Plus in season one although deep down Sam had a serious bloodlust he always cared about the victims and bystanders. He stopped Dean from doing questionable things more than once. Now Dean is filling that role.

 

[RJDiogenes]

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Yes, exactly.

 

[mswood]

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What was the questionable things he stopped Dean from Doing in Season One? The only thing I can recall is asking to let him talk with Max before using force. And it wasn't that Sam wasn't going to use force if that was his only option, its that Sam felt a connection with Max because of the events that YED caused (though he didn't know at the time it was YED).

Sam was so not the one into saving people in the first season. With multiple episodes to back up that point from the Pilot, to Wendigo, to Scarecrow. Sam was driven to find his father, and find the force that killed Jessica. We given the option of going for saving people or the possibility of a lead to YED or a lead to John he always picked going after Vengeance. Dean on the other hand (while certainly driven to find out about Dad), always would go with saving innocents.

As for hunting, I see no evidence that Dean would stop hunting once Sam's situation is resolved or not resolved. Both Sam (souless) and Bobby have out and out stated (and I think maybe Lisa as well) that if Sam was alive Dean absolutely would be out there hunting with him. WHile Dean wants a family (and he always has, that hasn't changed at all and was certainly there in the first season) he never saw himself not being a hunter, or separating his family life from a hunting life.

I think thats why Dean as admitted what he is, that sure he wants a life with Ben and Lisa but honestly can see himself in that life. I mean he was going through the motions, and even hid his hunting and research from Lisa and Ben not to mention Bobby as well). He did that because in Dean's eye Family comes first, that very much is the Dean of first season. It's all about Family. But for Dean Family also meant hunting.

Sam on the other hand, is rather soulless about it, he knows he's good at it, and does a good job at it, but he isn't doing it to save people. And just like season one is with Dean because it serves his purpose (at least right now).

I think its really difficult to really switch the roles, because Dean still has his passion and his heart. His sense of responsibility. Soulless Sam though, sorry but there is really no emotional core to judge, and thus even John who was certainly the coldest of the three, did everything he did because of passion.