Supernatural 6x7 "Family Matters"

[Snaploud]

I think Sam would be how shall we put it power drinking every single demon on the planet.

Two possibilities:

2) There will be a throw-away line about how Sam tried it and that it didn't work (either because of the lack of a soul or that his body came out the cage without that sort of ability).

Logic doesn't really support this. Sam has died at least 3 times previous, and his being returned to the mortal plane had no impact on his abilities.

Sam soul has already been separated from his body and his body still held the "Seed" of being able to harness demonic energy.

If Crowley had the ability or any other demon that held or could make contracts that would remove Sam's ability to either house or harness those demonic abilities then another powerful Demon who could also make and hold deals who had great power would have done so earlier. And we know such a demon did live and absolutely was motivated to end the threat that was Sam, and that was Lilith. And while she couldn't blast him away, she absolutely could deal.

Option 2 is really just throw-away logic for if the writers want to take the easy route (basically the "it doesn't work anymore" with blah blah blah attached). Option 1 is the more interesting one. In fact, I'm not even sure that it would occur to Zombie Sam (which is a great moniker, by the way) to even try demon blood. It was mostly the emotional side that took him down that route. His intellectual side always stayed away from the blood unless there was a really good reason to try some.

 

[mswood]

What are some things we know.

Who was previously the King of Hell?

Now the idea is that Lucifer is, but on SN that clearly isn't the case. WHile he created the race of demons he was isolated that no one could even contact him. And if he is the King, tehn he should still be the King.

So I think he wasn't.

Then who previously was the power in hell.

Based on what we have seen it would appear to have at first been Azazel.

After Azazel was destroyed a new power is rising in the west. That power was Lilith who was trapped , according to Lilith deep in the Pitt. But apparently open the gate helped free her. She also was the keeper of all deals. THis strongly implies that she lorded over CRD.

Once Lilith was Dead Lucifer was risen, so clearly during this time he was the power.

Then after he was sealed back into his prison, Crowley assumed the mantel.

So how the hell did Crowley gain abilities that clearly the others did not have?

We know that like CRD Azazel and Lilith can make deals, and can hold contracts (in Lilith's case all of them, though we don't know if this was always the case with Lilith or was assumed after Azazel was destroyed).

So clearly Azazel wanted Lucifer freed if he can deal and dealers can reach that far into the Pitt, then why not just find some sole who wishes to free Lucifer?

Lilith clearly wanted Sam either dead or not a threat, and clearly she can deal, and literally at the time holds all contracts, why not just make a deal that removes Sam (and she can make contracts that literally kill Sam)?

Nor do I buy a demon having the ability to remove a person from heaven. IF Lucifer is cast out (and we never see him ever attempt to return) why would his creations have the ability to access heaven, and if they did why not take the war to heaven? But if demons can access heaven, why wouldn't Lucifer immediately return Sam to Earth after he died? That didn't occur.

 

[mswood]

I don't think encouraging soulless Sam to drink demon blood would be a very wise idea. Intellectually, Sam has to remember this to some degree. Drinking demon blood brought Lucifer to the surface.

) Sam is basically on autopilot. He is following all the moral imperatives of the old Sam. He's just not always aware of when old-Sam might choose to do one thing or another (lacking "instinct" as Dean put it), and that's why he sought out Dean.

This, I think, is spot on. Sam--for want of a less facetious analogy--is like a zombie. He seeks out remembrances of his old life, just like the zombie mother in "The Walking Dead" on AMC kept trying to turn the locked doorknob to get into the house where her living son was. Sam's inner instincts tell him that Dean knows what he's doing, that Dean will make the right decision for him. It's ingrained in Sam's inner psyche.

I don't think Sam drinking Blood brought Lucifer to earth. Being told by Angels and demons that Lilith had to be killed, and Sam killing her is what Brought Lucifer to Earth.

Sam doesn't drink blood and become evil, becuase if so then the times we have seen him drink the most he would be doing evil acts, and that hasn't been the case.

Sam should have learned that trusting a demon and angels lead him down a dark place with great consequences. But when armed with true knowledge he hasn't used his abilities to harm. And those include the times he has consumed the most blood and been at the strongest he has ever been.

As a Hunter who is not bothered by moral ambiguity he should naturally now look at that option very quickly.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

Samuel and the cousins would probably end Sam if he started drinking demon blood. And who's to say Crowley's telling the complete truth? Maybe Death is still on the scene and he did the deed. Did he ever get bottled up?

 

[Vendikarr]

Nor do I buy a demon having the ability to remove a person from heaven. IF Lucifer is cast out (and we never see him ever attempt to return) why would his creations have the ability to access heaven, and if they did why not take the war to heaven? But if demons can access heaven, why wouldn't Lucifer immediately return Sam to Earth after he died? That didn't occur.

The demons can't access Heaven. But angels can. I believe the civil war in Heaven comes into play here, and Crowley is allied with an angel on the other side.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

Yeah, I think it's a given that Crowley has allies/minions of some kind helping him out.

 

[mswood]

Samuel and the cousins would probably end Sam if he started drinking demon blood. And who's to say Crowley's telling the complete truth? Maybe Death is still on the scene and he did the deed. Did he ever get bottled up?

Perhaps, first they would need to know he was doing it. And clearly Sam could do it without others knowing it. Hell even Crowley isn't a where of what happens with all his demons otherwise he would have been a lot more prepared for Bobby's action a couple weeks ago.

And since Sam has been very successfully when actually seeking out to drain and kill demons who would be able to report.

 

[Jack Bauer]

It was kind of weird for me seeing Rick Worthy be scary and evil in this episode since I ran into him a few weeks ago when I took my car in to get fixed. He was picking his car up. Nice guy.