New episode tonight, good people. Castiel is back. 
Hope we all enjoy.
Hope we all enjoy.
Supernatural 6x7 "Family Matters"
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This one actually looks like it might be pretty interesting. I'm looking forward to it.
PLEASE TELL ME JALEEL WHITE MAKES A CAMEO!
That's where I've seen the dude in the preview!!!! Damn, I was driving myself crazy trying to remember his face.
So, grandpa has been bending over for Crowley. I like it. 
Rick Worthy was a chilling alpha. Loved, loved, loved him in the part. And Mark Sheppard is always excellent. So.....is Mary stuck in purgatory since she cancelled out the poltergeist in "Home" season one?
Rick Worthy was a chilling alpha. Loved, loved, loved him in the part. And Mark Sheppard is always excellent. So.....is Mary stuck in purgatory since she cancelled out the poltergeist in "Home" season one?
This episode based off of clips is probably the episode I am least interested in.
Oh and I missed last weeks thread as I was typing endlessly for sn. But I liked it. I like that the "mystery" is being broached far faster then previous seasons have handled material. And thought the "Monster of the week" was ok, better then many. But not great by any stretch. Loved Dean really pounding the shit out of Sam, and Love that the damage is still there.
Oh and I missed last weeks thread as I was typing endlessly for sn. But I liked it. I like that the "mystery" is being broached far faster then previous seasons have handled material. And thought the "Monster of the week" was ok, better then many. But not great by any stretch. Loved Dean really pounding the shit out of Sam, and Love that the damage is still there.
Th eonly real problem I have had with "No Soul" Sammy is that when he confronted Castiel about not answering his prayer's he actually seemed to get riled up. How would that happen with no real emotions. Unlike the curious look he gave while Dean was turned (more rational curiosity), he seemed upset with Castiel. It doesn't track.
It took my two days to figure that out and was literally really getting pissed that I didn't recognize the actor.
It was an okay episode. It didn't drag out some answers like I thought it might but I'm not sure the Crowley reveal as the mastermind or the reason he is wanting Alphas i.e. to find Purgatory are as interesting as I had built up.
And as much as I like Mitch Pileggi and how I was initially intrigued by his character I don't think as the season has progressed that I'm feeling him.
I'm thinking Samuel is doing this for Crowley in return for bringing back his daughter Mary.
And as much as I like Mitch Pileggi and how I was initially intrigued by his character I don't think as the season has progressed that I'm feeling him.
I'm thinking Samuel is doing this for Crowley in return for bringing back his daughter Mary.
OK show, lets see you have a morally vague character, you have a demon whose holding said morally vague sole hostage (and threatening him with passage back to hell), what posible way do you have to stop said demons plan.
Let see what beings or forces have we seen that can hold, stop, prevent demonic use of abilities, and kill, and torture even the sytongest demons from hell.
Well there is Lucifer we know, oh I would assume Death or a being such as God, or let's see who else can stop, prevent the use of their ability, torture beyond even their own nightmarish ability, and kill even the strongest demons from Hell. Oh, that would be Sam.
I think Sam would be how shall we put it power drinking every single demon on the planet.
The show absolutely has to address that issue. And since we know Sam's body and not his soul is what holds the demonic abilities that both can hold Lucifers form and grants him the ability to effect any demon, then it must be in his form still. And since his abilities have survived already passages to both Heaven and Hell then it absolutely should still be there.
He could out torture the master torturer from hell itself, and has shown to be able to stop and kill the previous ruler of hell Lilith (as Lucifer wasn't the ruler of hell in his original trap, because if he was then, he still would be).
Let see what beings or forces have we seen that can hold, stop, prevent demonic use of abilities, and kill, and torture even the sytongest demons from hell.
Well there is Lucifer we know, oh I would assume Death or a being such as God, or let's see who else can stop, prevent the use of their ability, torture beyond even their own nightmarish ability, and kill even the strongest demons from Hell. Oh, that would be Sam.
I think Sam would be how shall we put it power drinking every single demon on the planet.
The show absolutely has to address that issue. And since we know Sam's body and not his soul is what holds the demonic abilities that both can hold Lucifers form and grants him the ability to effect any demon, then it must be in his form still. And since his abilities have survived already passages to both Heaven and Hell then it absolutely should still be there.
He could out torture the master torturer from hell itself, and has shown to be able to stop and kill the previous ruler of hell Lilith (as Lucifer wasn't the ruler of hell in his original trap, because if he was then, he still would be).
But I liked the episode. Still haven't had an outright classic episode, but we have had several strong episodes back to back. Oh and miracles of miracles this was the first time I have cared for the encamped group.
THough, and it strongly bears repeating. These others hunters, the one that have called out Dean's inexperience. Really need to have the fact that no other Hunter (not even Sam) has faced and survived, not only survived but been victorious against. And really by now it should have happened. Once or twice, I can understand letting it slide, but by now. Really its one thing to state that Dean has gotten out of practice but its another issue to not understand that his experience and range of experience is greater then the entire other group (minus Sam of course).
THough, and it strongly bears repeating. These others hunters, the one that have called out Dean's inexperience. Really need to have the fact that no other Hunter (not even Sam) has faced and survived, not only survived but been victorious against. And really by now it should have happened. Once or twice, I can understand letting it slide, but by now. Really its one thing to state that Dean has gotten out of practice but its another issue to not understand that his experience and range of experience is greater then the entire other group (minus Sam of course).
Yeah, but Christian was possessed and stirring the pot, so to speak, on that score with Dean.
Good episode. Finally we get some real answers.
I liked the plot with the Vampire Alpha. No show does decapitations better than Supernatural. I'm glad we found out what was wrong with Sam now, instead of at the end of the season.
Anyone else find Smallville to be laughably bad? I always catch the last few minutes of that show while waiting for Supernatural, and realize how much Smallville should have ended five seasons ago.
Trivia of the night: Castiel's true form is as large as the Chrysler Building.
I liked the plot with the Vampire Alpha. No show does decapitations better than Supernatural. I'm glad we found out what was wrong with Sam now, instead of at the end of the season.
Anyone else find Smallville to be laughably bad? I always catch the last few minutes of that show while waiting for Supernatural, and realize how much Smallville should have ended five seasons ago.
Trivia of the night: Castiel's true form is as large as the Chrysler Building.
Two possibilities:
1) Sam is basically on autopilot. He is following all the moral imperatives of the old Sam. He's just not always aware of when old-Sam might choose to do one thing or another (lacking "instinct" as Dean put it), and that's why he sought out Dean.
On the other hand, he is gradually becoming more and more of a psycho without his soul. His "logic" has begun to over-ride some of his old principles, but it will likely take time for all his principles to be over-ridden (if ever). Basically, Sam is a time-bomb that may or may go off at any time, but, for now, his "logic" says to continue doing what he always did (possibly because he is still able to achieve some level of intellectual satisfaction even without core emotions). Obviously, it would be a bad idea to stick him in front of a villain who knows how to build an intellectual argument.
2) There will be a throw-away line about how Sam tried it and that it didn't work (either because of the lack of a soul or that his body came out the cage without that sort of ability).
I don't think encouraging soulless Sam to drink demon blood would be a very wise idea. Intellectually, Sam has to remember this to some degree. Drinking demon blood brought Lucifer to the surface.
This, I think, is spot on. Sam--for want of a less facetious analogy--is like a zombie. He seeks out remembrances of his old life, just like the zombie mother in "The Walking Dead" on AMC kept trying to turn the locked doorknob to get into the house where her living son was. Sam's inner instincts tell him that Dean knows what he's doing, that Dean will make the right decision for him. It's ingrained in Sam's inner psyche.
This, I think, is spot on. Sam--for want of a less facetious analogy--is like a zombie. He seeks out remembrances of his old life, just like the zombie mother in "The Walking Dead" on AMC kept trying to turn the locked doorknob to get into the house where her living son was. Sam's inner instincts tell him that Dean knows what he's doing, that Dean will make the right decision for him. It's ingrained in Sam's inner psyche.
Yeah but he wasn't the only one calling Dean out on it, nor did Dean no until the very end that there was a demon int heir midst.
Questions and more questions:
How does Crowley being king of hell give him all of these powers? Is it King of the moutain and winner gets all these super powers?
Lilith didnt have these powers and no way if Castiel couldnt break into the cage and get sams soul back, then how can a Demon? Heck Arch Angels coudlnt do that, and Liith need all the seals to break.
Just makes no sense. What is stoping some Arch Angel from releasing Satan again if its that easy?
And please a Demon like Crowley can actually pull someone from heaven? Sorry not buying it. Whats the point of heaven if you can get yanked back to hell or earth by some demon?
Oh if they would of burned Crowleys bones would he end up in purgatory? Really what is Purgatory? I thought that was another name for hell.
So does Vamps have no souls? U would think since hence evil would go to hell with everyone else.
And with all the demons that actually got killed Lilith,Yellow eyes etc are they in Purgatory?
Sorry just really confused here.
How does Crowley being king of hell give him all of these powers? Is it King of the moutain and winner gets all these super powers?
Lilith didnt have these powers and no way if Castiel couldnt break into the cage and get sams soul back, then how can a Demon? Heck Arch Angels coudlnt do that, and Liith need all the seals to break.
Just makes no sense. What is stoping some Arch Angel from releasing Satan again if its that easy?
And please a Demon like Crowley can actually pull someone from heaven? Sorry not buying it. Whats the point of heaven if you can get yanked back to hell or earth by some demon?
Oh if they would of burned Crowleys bones would he end up in purgatory? Really what is Purgatory? I thought that was another name for hell.
So does Vamps have no souls? U would think since hence evil would go to hell with everyone else.
And with all the demons that actually got killed Lilith,Yellow eyes etc are they in Purgatory?
Sorry just really confused here.
Logic doesn't really support this. Sam has died at least 3 times previous, and his being returned to the mortal plane had no impact on his abilities.
Sam soul has already been separated from his body and his body still held the "Seed" of being able to harness demonic energy.
If Crowley had the ability or any other demon that held or could make contracts that would remove Sam's ability to either house or harness those demonic abilities then another powerful Demon who could also make and hold deals who had great power would have done so earlier. And we know such a demon did live and absolutely was motivated to end the threat that was Sam, and that was Lilith. And while she couldn't blast him away, she absolutely could deal.
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