I ended up liking it very much. Is yellow eyes real? Yes? No? Dean electing to stay with Lisa....Samuel telling him he's like Mary, that there were Campbells on the Mayflower? I liked it.
Supernatural 6x01 "Exile on Main Street" discussion/spoilerish
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Wow what a disapointment. I really didnt like this episode. Everything seems so tacked on and the cast feel so warn out.
I truly do not like have the Campbells with them either. The shows been just Dean and Sam. And to change that with these extras just makes matters worse.
Hate to say but this show should of been done last season.
Everything just felt flat and everyone looks and feels so old.
Put Dean and Sam back into the car and let them hunt. Having their grand dad and cousins just ruin the dynamic that we had for 5 seasons.
And its clear something is up with Sam, he just felt off or he just forgot how to act. He didnt seem natural.
Previews for next week look worse. But i watch it and if sucks like this then im done and just enjoy season 1-5.
I truly do not like have the Campbells with them either. The shows been just Dean and Sam. And to change that with these extras just makes matters worse.
Hate to say but this show should of been done last season.
Everything just felt flat and everyone looks and feels so old.
Put Dean and Sam back into the car and let them hunt. Having their grand dad and cousins just ruin the dynamic that we had for 5 seasons.
And its clear something is up with Sam, he just felt off or he just forgot how to act. He didnt seem natural.
Previews for next week look worse. But i watch it and if sucks like this then im done and just enjoy season 1-5.
Are they supposed to act like nothing's happened? The cousins aren't full time additions. The brothers need other characters. It's all cool and the gang, but I was intrigued to find out what happens next. More family history slowly revealed is good by me.
It looked like Supernatural.
It sounded like Supernatural.
Most importantly, it felt like Supernatural.
I think this season's going to be fine. I'm curious to learn more about the Campbells, and about what brought the Two Sams back. I'm very glad that Dean decided not to go with Sam and chose to stay with Lisa and Ben instead. I just hope that not every episode from here on out will be like, "Dean, I need your help!" "I'm done, Sam!" "But I really need your help on this one!"
It sounded like Supernatural.
Most importantly, it felt like Supernatural.
I think this season's going to be fine. I'm curious to learn more about the Campbells, and about what brought the Two Sams back. I'm very glad that Dean decided not to go with Sam and chose to stay with Lisa and Ben instead. I just hope that not every episode from here on out will be like, "Dean, I need your help!" "I'm done, Sam!" "But I really need your help on this one!"
Hee. I think this season is going to be very polarizing. 
On TWOP there seems to be a clear division of like and dislike. SPN fans seem very good at being in different camps. That's cool, though. We can all play nice here, like or dislike.
On TWOP there seems to be a clear division of like and dislike. SPN fans seem very good at being in different camps. That's cool, though. We can all play nice here, like or dislike.
Yeah, I'm not gonna hate on the show. I know what it's capable of. I'll probably rewatch this episode next week and see what I missed.
I just think it's funny that I was so trepidatious about season 6 and I ended up enjoying the premiere so much. Life's funny. You can hate if you want. No rules. I just enjoy a show where the characters change in a realistic response to events. Some folks were complaining that Sam didn't seem to care, but I didn't see that. I saw someone who was desperate for Dean to want to come back, but didn't feel he had a right to ask him. Sam seemed guarded and close to the vest.
Oh my what I mixed bag of an episode.
I actually really liked it. It was rather somber, and I appreciate that.
Really my only real dislike about the episode is the Campbell's. Not that I dislike the idea of an extended family (especially one that is working a game that Sam is unaware of, and thus certainly Dean).
I like that both primary characters show serious change. We really see a Sam thats a lot closer to what he turned into during his 6 month alternate "reality" in Mystery Spot. I loved Sam pointing out the difference between them. Sam started out more moral, but not a person who actively went out of his way to save others. While Dean had a much loser moral compass but would go out of his way to help, pretty much anyone. When Sam started back hunting it was driven by his anger (initially) then his fear for his own soul, then fear over Dean's soul, then fear of Lucifer rising, then fear at what he had done even with good intentions. I really can see Sam being a lot more dispassionate about his role and the actions he takes.
Then we have Dean who was pushed into setting down and taking roots. Still jumping into the fire, but willing after reflection to take his "Family" needs first. The first time we ever really see Dean take someone besides John, Sam (perhaps Bobby and Castiel), into the group that is more important then strangers and the good of others. And that is also a nice change to see.
What did hurt was seeing Dean's feelings of betrayal by those he truly counts as family. Even if Sam was absolutely correct, in both Dean's unconscious desires to have his own family and that he would not settle down if he had discovered Sam was alive. It wouldn't have happened. In Criss Angel is a Douche Bag we see Sam use the fear of Dean not having a real future has the catalyst that makes him go back to Ruby so we know its something he takes very seriously. We also know that Bobby (and most of the hunters that Bobby knows) understands the cost to one's self being a hunter, and we saw how much he was willing to do to even get a taste of that back. So I can easily see Bobby doing what he did. He really does see Sam and Dean as his kids, and to see even one of them get a chance to live, is something he is going to be for.
Another nice thing to see about Sam. Once he came forward he was completely honest to Dean. No lies about not remembering the Pit, no lies about how he has changed, no lies about how long he has been out, and no lies about the reasons why.
My main problem with the episode is that it lost it's momentum when the Campbell's came into the picture. Because of this I think it would have been better to push their part of the story to the next episode and not burden the season premiere with it.
I was also a little bothered by Campbell's dismissing Dean. It's is try he hasn't been a hunter for a year. But seriously he's killed Azazel he's fought Angel's and Demons, he has pissed off Arch Angels, he has faced literally the Devil and had pizza with Death.
Show some F***ing respect. This from someone who isn't a Dean girl by any stretch.
The character story managed to pick back up at Bobby's and last through most of the episode, but the "plot" of the story had died at the Campbell's.
Also as soon as the mention Djinn it was obvious it was the waitress/bartender.
I really liked the opening of Dean's domestic life intercut with his life with Sam. Nice touch. And Azazel you dear sweet dead demon. I sure do miss you. Always a pleasure to see Frederic Lane in that role. Always.
And nice that Dean stayed. Obviously I don't feel that the show is going to keep Dean homesteading, but it was nice to see him stay. Just as much as it was nice to see some of why Sam was so unemotional. THat final scene really showed that while Sam felt Dean needed a family, it showed that Sam is in desperate need for his.
Cautiously optimistic.
Oh and the episodes a C+ for me. I liked most of it (especially its sedate tone and the character beats) but the Campbell's and the obviousness of the ending take a full grade away.
I actually really liked it. It was rather somber, and I appreciate that.
Really my only real dislike about the episode is the Campbell's. Not that I dislike the idea of an extended family (especially one that is working a game that Sam is unaware of, and thus certainly Dean).
I like that both primary characters show serious change. We really see a Sam thats a lot closer to what he turned into during his 6 month alternate "reality" in Mystery Spot. I loved Sam pointing out the difference between them. Sam started out more moral, but not a person who actively went out of his way to save others. While Dean had a much loser moral compass but would go out of his way to help, pretty much anyone. When Sam started back hunting it was driven by his anger (initially) then his fear for his own soul, then fear over Dean's soul, then fear of Lucifer rising, then fear at what he had done even with good intentions. I really can see Sam being a lot more dispassionate about his role and the actions he takes.
Then we have Dean who was pushed into setting down and taking roots. Still jumping into the fire, but willing after reflection to take his "Family" needs first. The first time we ever really see Dean take someone besides John, Sam (perhaps Bobby and Castiel), into the group that is more important then strangers and the good of others. And that is also a nice change to see.
What did hurt was seeing Dean's feelings of betrayal by those he truly counts as family. Even if Sam was absolutely correct, in both Dean's unconscious desires to have his own family and that he would not settle down if he had discovered Sam was alive. It wouldn't have happened. In Criss Angel is a Douche Bag we see Sam use the fear of Dean not having a real future has the catalyst that makes him go back to Ruby so we know its something he takes very seriously. We also know that Bobby (and most of the hunters that Bobby knows) understands the cost to one's self being a hunter, and we saw how much he was willing to do to even get a taste of that back. So I can easily see Bobby doing what he did. He really does see Sam and Dean as his kids, and to see even one of them get a chance to live, is something he is going to be for.
Another nice thing to see about Sam. Once he came forward he was completely honest to Dean. No lies about not remembering the Pit, no lies about how he has changed, no lies about how long he has been out, and no lies about the reasons why.
My main problem with the episode is that it lost it's momentum when the Campbell's came into the picture. Because of this I think it would have been better to push their part of the story to the next episode and not burden the season premiere with it.
I was also a little bothered by Campbell's dismissing Dean. It's is try he hasn't been a hunter for a year. But seriously he's killed Azazel he's fought Angel's and Demons, he has pissed off Arch Angels, he has faced literally the Devil and had pizza with Death.
Show some F***ing respect. This from someone who isn't a Dean girl by any stretch.
The character story managed to pick back up at Bobby's and last through most of the episode, but the "plot" of the story had died at the Campbell's.
Also as soon as the mention Djinn it was obvious it was the waitress/bartender.
I really liked the opening of Dean's domestic life intercut with his life with Sam. Nice touch. And Azazel you dear sweet dead demon. I sure do miss you. Always a pleasure to see Frederic Lane in that role. Always.
And nice that Dean stayed. Obviously I don't feel that the show is going to keep Dean homesteading, but it was nice to see him stay. Just as much as it was nice to see some of why Sam was so unemotional. THat final scene really showed that while Sam felt Dean needed a family, it showed that Sam is in desperate need for his.
Cautiously optimistic.
Oh and the episodes a C+ for me. I liked most of it (especially its sedate tone and the character beats) but the Campbell's and the obviousness of the ending take a full grade away.
That one line--when Sam said how much he admired Dean for just going out there after his neighbors who were being attacked (even though Dean had no plan and was rusty), that going after them was Dean's first instinct when it wasn't Sam's--that one line sold the episode for me. It's such a Sera Gamble signature line. She gets the depth of their troubled and convoluted relationship.
I enjoy Mitch Pileggi too much not to enjoy Samuel. Jury's still out on the third cousins. Maybe they were just jealous that Dean got to live the normal life. They seemed resentful. The girl (Gwen?) said that Sam talked constantly about Dean. Maybe they're a bunch of jealous dicks.
I enjoy Mitch Pileggi too much not to enjoy Samuel. Jury's still out on the third cousins. Maybe they were just jealous that Dean got to live the normal life. They seemed resentful. The girl (Gwen?) said that Sam talked constantly about Dean. Maybe they're a bunch of jealous dicks.
Great Corin Nemec is still finding work. As far as the episode goes, I enjoyed it, yet I felt like there was a bit of a disconnect which was probably the point. Any speculation on who brought Samuel and Sam back? You think he has an ulterior motive? What is he going to do with the Jin?
OK, I tried I really did, but count me OUT for the rest of season 6.
Who were those guys? They certainly weren't Sam and Dean Winchester, that's for sure. If that's the new direction the show's going for the season I'm not following. This isn't the show I fell in love with 4 years ago and frankly I wish they HAD ended last season now.
Almost all the new plotlines are practically rehashes of old (what's up with Sam? who's the mysterious new character(s)? A more menacing threat that's worst than before that requires MORE sacrifice! Let's watch Dean and show what he was up to while only filling in Sam's story later with bad flashbacks! Girlfriends in threat of imminent death!)
I'll probably watch it when it comes out on DVD next year. Take it all in one sitting, quick and dirty like taking bad tasting medicine or ripping a band aid. I'm NOT going to be strung along again like I was the last two seasons.
The new characters introduced? Couldn't stand 'em. Their snide little comments as if they're somehow 'better' than Dean and Sam going along with them! Uggh. I can't stand what they've reduced my favorite character to and and I've seen how the writers handle Sam's character development...they don't. I'm not gonna sit around hoping SOMETHING is explained while more lies and 'secrets' are piled on and then when the truth is revealed the cycle starts again (see...rehashed plot lines AGAIN?!). That and AGAIN with the whole deification of Dean's status. He gets to sit pretty and look all moral by doing for Lisa what Sam didn't for Jess while Sam's the bad guy for not taking the Impala, for asking Dean to leave with him and for having hid his return. AGAIN with the vilification of Sam. I'm tired of it and the circles the writers keep dragging us in again and again. I'm begging to see why the show isn't so popular with the mainstream.
Who were those guys? They certainly weren't Sam and Dean Winchester, that's for sure. If that's the new direction the show's going for the season I'm not following. This isn't the show I fell in love with 4 years ago and frankly I wish they HAD ended last season now.
Almost all the new plotlines are practically rehashes of old (what's up with Sam? who's the mysterious new character(s)? A more menacing threat that's worst than before that requires MORE sacrifice! Let's watch Dean and show what he was up to while only filling in Sam's story later with bad flashbacks! Girlfriends in threat of imminent death!)
I'll probably watch it when it comes out on DVD next year. Take it all in one sitting, quick and dirty like taking bad tasting medicine or ripping a band aid. I'm NOT going to be strung along again like I was the last two seasons.
The new characters introduced? Couldn't stand 'em. Their snide little comments as if they're somehow 'better' than Dean and Sam going along with them! Uggh. I can't stand what they've reduced my favorite character to and and I've seen how the writers handle Sam's character development...they don't. I'm not gonna sit around hoping SOMETHING is explained while more lies and 'secrets' are piled on and then when the truth is revealed the cycle starts again (see...rehashed plot lines AGAIN?!). That and AGAIN with the whole deification of Dean's status. He gets to sit pretty and look all moral by doing for Lisa what Sam didn't for Jess while Sam's the bad guy for not taking the Impala, for asking Dean to leave with him and for having hid his return. AGAIN with the vilification of Sam. I'm tired of it and the circles the writers keep dragging us in again and again. I'm begging to see why the show isn't so popular with the mainstream.
I'm concerned that the show has lost something. Usually there is some hilarious moment, no matter how dark things are. I can't believe that Dean trusted Samuel so quickly or even Sam. I expected Dean's family to be killed pretty quicky to give him a motivation to leave again. That episode where Dean meets mini-Dean was so great that I guess they think it would be too dark to kill off his potential family.
I liked it though it felt a bit odd. I liked that they made Dean want to protect his new family. I liked the new Sam "No Dean, I wouldn't" just shows just how jaded Sam has become.
I'm ok with the extra family cast though the woman was kinda "meh" to me in both looks and acting ability. I mean she's no Katie Cassidy, Lauren Cohan or Alona Tal in either department. I'm ok with the guys cause I have enjoyed watching them act in other shows.
I'm ok with the extra family cast though the woman was kinda "meh" to me in both looks and acting ability. I mean she's no Katie Cassidy, Lauren Cohan or Alona Tal in either department. I'm ok with the guys cause I have enjoyed watching them act in other shows.
Excellent analysis. I have only with thing I would argue with. The "respect Dean" thing. Hunters are an ARROGANT bunch as a whole. It's pretty much par for the course to look at others outside the group as less worthy than your own and, lets face it, both Sam and Dean are outsiders to the new family.
Ok I can certainly understand someone not liking the episode, but several of you points are out and out false.
First your point about vilification of Sam. Sorry but the show has one character being pissed off at Sam (Dean, which he should be) and two that agree with what Sam did (Sam and Bobby). And since Bobby has often been the voice of reason and the impartial spokesmen between the brothers your point is invalid. Your comparisons between Sam's college days and Dean's year are also baseless. Sam didn't know his visions was prophecy. Not at all, he discovered that after the fact and was tore up that he didn't realize it for what it was (why would he, he never had a vision before, no one in his family ever had a vision before). Sam absolutely would have stayed with Jess and tried to protect her if he knew (the show first season went over and over that issue to Dean's disappointment). On the Car, Sam has always appreciated the offer of the car. But in Sam's mind the car is more a part of Dean then it is a him (and it is important to him). It's not bad that Sam didn't take it. Why would someone think its bad that he didn't take it? He never has when offered the car except when Dean was dead.
I must of also missed the part that whatever is going on is bigger and badder threat then anything they have faced. I mean they have meet dozens of gods, archangels, and very possibly God, let alone Death itself. I honestly don't recall Sam or Dean saying it has to be bigger and badder then those beings. Perhaps I am wrong.
As for the nature of events causing more events with more conflicts and new people involved in those conflicts, sorry that offends but how shall I put it, its practically a staple in reoccurring long form drama.
And if you think these aren't Sam and Dean, then seriously might I suggest you watch Mystery Spot and What is and What Shall Never Be. Because both of those episodes (one from 2nd season one from the third) really showcase somewhat similar situations and behaviors in the primary characters.
While the comment by the Cambells did piss me off, we do need to remember that Dean hasn't hunted for a year (remember when he said Sam was rusty when he went a long period without hunting), and Sam also lived with Dean the last two year of his life when he thought Dean wasn't going all out, that he was playing it safe, and not pushing himself (Not that I blame Dean as he had a ton of baggage that he was trying to deal with). But on Sam's point I can certainly see him not jumping to his defense. And the dialogue already said that he had been talking Dean up non stop.
On the issue of Flashbacks. You do realize that the show has used flashbacks for both characters. And frankly I have found the flashbacks generally pretty solid for both characters. But at least with Sam we have always seen what happened to him, season 4 for Dean we were told what happened (unless you count shots of Dean's eyes as being solid storytelling).
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The premiere drew 2.79 million, right on par with last year's numbers on Thursday. Smallville drew 2.9 million. For the CW on a Friday, that'll be satisfactory.
Mswood!! I've been posting in the Mad Men and True Blood forums on TWOP all summer long with nary a problem. Went back to the Supernatural forum for the first time in months and.....I think you can guess what's coming.....yes, my account is temporarily suspended.
Apparently, I was "snotty" when I asked another poster how she knew she'd hate the episode before giving it a chance. That Supernatural mod there is the WORST on the entire TWOP forum. 
The others got their panties in a twist and got into a fight about prejudging the show or something similar, apparently, so I'm an "instigator."
Mswood!! I've been posting in the Mad Men and True Blood forums on TWOP all summer long with nary a problem. Went back to the Supernatural forum for the first time in months and.....I think you can guess what's coming.....yes, my account is temporarily suspended.
Apparently, I was "snotty" when I asked another poster how she knew she'd hate the episode before giving it a chance. That Supernatural mod there is the WORST on the entire TWOP forum. The others got their panties in a twist and got into a fight about prejudging the show or something similar, apparently, so I'm an "instigator."