Supernatural 4x7 "It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester" spoilers
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3D Master
Rear Admiral
Lucifer is an angel, Samhain, or the god that rules on that day, is the single most powerful GOD, except one but he does bring forth the death of that one on Samhain.
It doesn't feel right that a mere angel is top dog, when gods are nothing, to the point of being hand waved away as a mere demon. A mere human soul cast into hell.
Well, as I said before, Samhain was obviously not your average, ordinary demon. Blackeyes seem to be the base demons, the least powerful. Samhain had white eyes like Lilith, so he had to have been at least as powerful as she is, but I'm not sure if Lilith outclasses Azazel or not. I'm assuming so, since the adversaries tend to get more powerful as shows go on, not less.
Samhain never got the chance to really do what he was capable of doing because of Sam.
ETA: Boy, that last line sounds kind of confusing.
Samhain never got the chance to really do what he was capable of doing because of Sam.
ETA: Boy, that last line sounds kind of confusing.
I love that there's an actual sense of menace to the demons/witches/angels on this show even though we disagree as to what degree.
Final ratings per Travis Yanan at pifeedback.com
Supernatural
- 3.550 million viewers
- 2.1/3 HH
- 1.5/4 A18-49
- 1.4/4 A18-34
Good job. The CW was actually bothered to make a press release about it. Now there's an historical event.
Supernatural
- 3.550 million viewers
- 2.1/3 HH
- 1.5/4 A18-49
- 1.4/4 A18-34
Good job. The CW was actually bothered to make a press release about it. Now there's an historical event.
A Clockwork Lim
Lieutenant Commander
3D Master
Rear Admiral
No, I don't refer to someone else with every post I make about it.
No, Samhain is not named after someone. Samhain isn't someone AT ALL.
Samhain is a day, 31 oktober, and it means one very simple thing: Summer's End.
It's calendar celebration and the gods associated with it, and has nothing to do with any person.
It's the day summer ends, and the winter begins, the day that the male god dies, and his female companion mourns his loss. The day his battle through the underworld begins, beating back all the demons and dark things, so he may resurrect at the winter solstice, his final victory over the darkness on the longest night, and as he emerges the days will grow longer once again. And all the demons remain in the underworld to try again in defeating him and getting out the next year.
Uh, no, not like pretty much everything else in the show. We've come across two Pagan gods in the past, one we've seen in two episodes. The first was a god of harvest, that housed in a scare crow. The other is a trickster god that can warp reality to his will. I'm disappointed they didn't deal with Halloween / Samhain in a similar way, and reduced such a magic event to a mere demon.
Exactly where did I get my panties in a twist? One is not allowed to be disappointed on some thing? We must be "All hail Kripke, he can do no wrong" 100% every step of every episode? We can never be critical? Never be disappointed in a way the show handled something?
If that's the case, why even bother discussing the show; we all know the only thing written down will only be: "All hail Kripke, he can do no wrong."
EDIT--Cool, some of the more religious fans are getting offended by the depiction of angels.Excellent. Controversy.
And some pagans!
3D Master
Rear Admiral
EDIT--Cool, some of the more religious fans are getting offended by the depiction of angels.
And some pagans!
Which Pagans are that?
Pagans are religious, too.EDIT--Cool, some of the more religious fans are getting offended by the depiction of angels.
And some pagans!
3-D Master
While it is true that word does mean a date and not an entity, it is also true that there are published works about an entity that is worshipped. Both mentioned as a pagan god and as a demon.
Since this show features stories about urban myths, and as such any mythology qualifies as a urban myth, then the writers aren't wrong (at least in use of a qualifier).
The real use of it as a being really took ground with "Anacalypsis" written by Godfrey Higgins in 1827. And in it he does specifically use the term demon (as well as god and demi-god), so its pretty much fair game for the show to use.
AS for this beings power, actually it was pretty high end on what we have scene demons able to do (in fact it was the most we have ever seen demons able to do). And for that matter on this show we have been exposed to four beings that have been referred to as demi-gods or pagan gods. And so far two have been weaker then many demons (the ones from the Christmas episode), then we have the harvest god and his ability seemed to just keep the local town prosperous and then the trickster who could manipulate matter and perceptions.
This use seems towards the upper end of those, stronger then human, energy projection, telekinesis the ability to raise all forms of dead creatures. For this show thats fairly high end. More then we saw Azazel do, more then we have seen Lilith do.
Oh and we got even more proof that demons absolutely can posses the dead. Something I was always curious about.
While it is true that word does mean a date and not an entity, it is also true that there are published works about an entity that is worshipped. Both mentioned as a pagan god and as a demon.
Since this show features stories about urban myths, and as such any mythology qualifies as a urban myth, then the writers aren't wrong (at least in use of a qualifier).
The real use of it as a being really took ground with "Anacalypsis" written by Godfrey Higgins in 1827. And in it he does specifically use the term demon (as well as god and demi-god), so its pretty much fair game for the show to use.
AS for this beings power, actually it was pretty high end on what we have scene demons able to do (in fact it was the most we have ever seen demons able to do). And for that matter on this show we have been exposed to four beings that have been referred to as demi-gods or pagan gods. And so far two have been weaker then many demons (the ones from the Christmas episode), then we have the harvest god and his ability seemed to just keep the local town prosperous and then the trickster who could manipulate matter and perceptions.
This use seems towards the upper end of those, stronger then human, energy projection, telekinesis the ability to raise all forms of dead creatures. For this show thats fairly high end. More then we saw Azazel do, more then we have seen Lilith do.
Oh and we got even more proof that demons absolutely can posses the dead. Something I was always curious about.
I was reading a bit of the Epoch and was fascinated by both Azazel and Uriel. What was so curious about Azazel was his interactions with humans, and how he was known as teaching mortals the secrets of heaven and how he mated with mortal women.
Kind of a nice morphing on Supernatural to seeding the children of women and gifting (or cursing) them with abilities beyond mortal man.
ANd it does feature a more how shall we say fire and brimstone Uriel.
Kind of a nice morphing on Supernatural to seeding the children of women and gifting (or cursing) them with abilities beyond mortal man.
ANd it does feature a more how shall we say fire and brimstone Uriel.
A Clockwork Lim
Lieutenant Commander
BZZT! Sorry.
That right there is you referring to someone else. In the show, the character we saw was Samhain. YOU keep referring to someone OTHER than Samhain. Every. Single. Time. You Mention. The Character.
Are you really too dense to get that? You say Samhain isn't a character then go on and on and on and on and on about all these other entities. Hello. McFly.
Yes, pretty much like everything else in the show. They take myths, legends, and stories and "re-imagine" them within the context of the show.
I have no problem discussing the show. You, on the other hand, seem to only want to whine and pout about what you want the show to be rather than what the show is... and make up all kinds of bullshit just to give yourself fuel for these asinine rants.If that's the case, why even bother discussing the show; we all know the only thing written down will only be: "All hail Kripke, he can do no wrong."
3D Master
Rear Admiral
And not once have I switched to something else, always just one thing, so they aren't different every post.
I have no problem discussing the show. You, on the other hand, seem to only want to whine and pout about what you want the show to be rather than what the show is... and make up all kinds of bullshit just to give yourself fuel for these asinine rants.If that's the case, why even bother discussing the show; we all know the only thing written down will only be: "All hail Kripke, he can do no wrong."
Oh, right, uhuh. I'm the one giving asinine rants and making things up. Have you even bothered to notice WHAT you've been writing down?
All I did was express my OPINION that I'm disappointed with the way they handled Samhain/Halloween, and what's the result?
Asinine rant after asinine rant attempting to smash my opinion into the ground, because god forbid someone thought something the show did wasn't heaven itself. Attempts to show how wrong I am for even having the audacity to be disappointed in something like this, ridiculous attempts to make it look like the facts I'm stating are wrong and I have no idea what I'm talking about (when it's clear some of you are the ones who have no idea whatsoever.) It's utterly ridiculous to watch how people do everything in their power to try and marginalize one guy's disappointment, to the point of trying to ridicule me by throwing me in with religious freaks.
(Oh, for the one who did that; I'm not a pagan, I'm an atheist, and I'm not offended by the show, I love the show. I'm disappointed in the show's handling of Samhain/Halloween. Disappointed. Not offended, it's rather a big difference those two words, you might want to reread what I wrote, maybe put on some glasses.)
Now, what I am offended by is the above ridiculous attempts to coerce me into retracting my disappointment and publically apologizing for daring to be disappointed with an aspect of an episode, and when I don't, attempt to ridicule that opinion away as just a religious nut.
Are you all really that insecure about your opinions and subjective experiences watching the show, you can't handle one guy being disappointed with an aspect of one episode, you must attempt to prove how wrong and evil he is for being disappointed in something?
Don't worry; I'll know never to express my opinion again. I'll simply join the cheer squad. Because god forbid one person is disappointed with the way the show did something. How horrible!
Taped it and watched it last night. The razor blades made me squirm. As the episode progressed, I figured Sam was going to use his powers. Interesting how an angel chastises another for blasphemy. I give this episode, and this show a hearty
Dorian
Can you believe that Heroes is budgeted at 4 mill an episode and they often run over...
I have heard estimates between 1 and 1.2 for Supernatural that mean Heroes needs to do at least 4 times as well to have the same end results. And needless to say it doesn't... That is scary.
Can you believe that Heroes is budgeted at 4 mill an episode and they often run over...
I have heard estimates between 1 and 1.2 for Supernatural that mean Heroes needs to do at least 4 times as well to have the same end results. And needless to say it doesn't... That is scary.