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Supernatural 4x3 "In the Beginning" SPOILERS and discussion

To me that was the best epeiode of Supernatural I've ever seen. Their mom coming froma hunter family an making a deal with yellow eyes to save their dad? great stuff.
 
A Clockwork Lim said:
So the "yellow-eyed demon" is Azazel? This should be interesting.
No, it's not Dean's fault. It's a causality loop. It's what had to be. The angels needed Dean Winchester to fight those who want to release Lucifer.
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What makes you think that was the goal? Lilith is the one leading the way to breaking the seals to release Lucifer. Azazel is, quite often, protrayed as a rival to Lucifer (with both being fallen angels), and it's obvious from this episode that he has his own plan in action. One involving the creation of his own private army for some undisclosed reason. Like, say, overthrowing Lucifer.

I'm still convinced Castiel is working to help release Lucifer, too, and simply needs Dean to aid him in that objective. Either because one of the seals requires a pure soul retrieved from Perdition to break it or whatever else. Taking out Azazel before he can overthrow Lucifer fits in really well with the overall plan, too. A huge tapestry is being woven here, and it's exactly the kind of thing you'd expect from an immensely powerful entity such as an angel.

This episode does one thing in particular to convince of that: It paints Castiel as someone who genuinely cares about doing good at any cost. That has "red herring" painted all over it.
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That's kind of what I've been assuming since the end of the season premiere. Castiel drafting Dean to do the work of God is just too simple.
 
Personal pet theory -> Castiel is Lucifer. According to the mythology, he was an angel after all. Archangel if I remember correctly.

Curious though how YED wasn't afraid of angelic involvement, where all the other demons seam scared to...uh...deather at the mere mention.
 
I doubt another fallen angel (Azazel) would be as afraid of angelic involvement as "normal" demons would be.

Note that Castiel actually named the "yellow-eyed demon" as Azazel at the end of the episode. Well, I'm not sure if he said Azazel or Aziel (my hearing is a bit off) but I'm pretty sure I heard two Z's. Not that it matters because both names are just variations of the same entity -- the angel of death.

Azazel also confirmed that only an angel had the juice to manipulate time, suggesting that (as a fallen angel and obviously restricted in what he can do, hence the seals and whatnot) Castiel is definitely an angel, not Lucifer.
 
This season definitely has got last season beat at this point. To think that season 4 almost didn't happen until Warner stepped in. If the CW was producing more shows like this instead of the drivel like Gossip Girl and 90210, maybe their network would be doing better. The first 3 episodes this year remind me of the complexity of the first season Earth: Final Conflict. There's always another layer of the mystery to be peeled back with every story. Castiel's threat to stop it if Dean doesn't makes me wonder how far Dean will go this time to protect little Sammy from the dangerous path that he seems to have taken with Ruby. Hopefully, there will be no strikes of any kind to mess up this very promising season.
 
Here's a promotional still from the next episode of SPN. Apparently Dean marches over to the address Castiel gave him. He's not happy.

:alienblush: Punches are reportedly thrown. :techman:
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Well I absolutely love this season so far, but hte only thing I am really curious about is if they are building to a straight on Sam representing evil vrs Dean representing good, or if that is just how it appears and it turns into more of what I call the Babylon 5 where in this case its Sam and Dean who end up doing the good, and its the other two powers who are really messing things up. Either way great way to introduce conflict between them.

Oh and I am so pissed. We get a demon possessed incest kiss in this episode, but nope couldn't get it in Born Under a Bad Sign with Meg/Sam.
 
A Clockwork Lim said:
I doubt another fallen angel (Azazel) would be as afraid of angelic involvement as "normal" demons would be.

Note that Castiel actually named the "yellow-eyed demon" as Azazel at the end of the episode. Well, I'm not sure if he said Azazel or Aziel (my hearing is a bit off) but I'm pretty sure I heard two Z's. Not that it matters because both names are just variations of the same entity -- the angel of death.

Azazel also confirmed that only an angel had the juice to manipulate time, suggesting that (as a fallen angel and obviously restricted in what he can do, hence the seals and whatnot) Castiel is definitely an angel, not Lucifer.
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It's definitely "Azazel"; the name was first dropped back in season 3's "Sin City".
 
Jensen kissing Jared? The fandom would go into collective vaporlock. :guffaw:

Not that it wouldn't make a nice screen shot. :evil: Hey, if Kripke wanted more publicity for the show, those two pain in the ass religious parent television councils who are constantly going after tv shows would have burst every blood vessel in their heads if that had gone down. The brouhaha would have been delightful. :cool: :devil: They'd have lost their minds.

Yeah, the symbol that John painted on the hospital floor to summon yellow eyes to make the deal to save Dean was the symbol for Azazel. Someone checked it online.
 
Clockwork, Kripke has dropped quite a few hints along the way. Back in season one, the boys see Mary's ghost in their old home. She smiles at Dean, then looks at Sam and says, "I'm sorry" before she kills the poltergeist. Lots of intriguing little tidbits like that. Fans have been wondering what it meant ever since.
 
Two clips from season one to whet your appetite, Clockwork Lim. Both of my favorites. :devil: You must have a look.

Mswood, you'll know which clip this is from the name.
Spoon

A charming clip of Sam and Dean talking to daddy. :evil:
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Wow, that episode was awesome! I almost died when the To Be Continued... screen came up. Arrrgh! :D There were a lot of great little moments in this episode too, like Dean convincing young Dad to buy the infamous Chevy instead of the VW bus, the aforementioned observation that Mom was hot, and that emotional scene towards the end where he pleads with Mary to stay in bed on such-and-such a day. And poor Grandma! She was so nice, and it was really harsh seeing YED killing her like that. And I liked Grandpa Skinner's personality change once he was possessed. It was amusing, yet so spot-on. :lol:

Can't wait to see what happens!
 
Well after looking at pictures I can guess how next episode starts (after I assume the teaser for the plot of the episode).

But while Dean confronts Sam (and rightfully so), I do wonder if Dean is honest with Sam about what he saw. It will be interesting to say the least.
 
And for an update on DVD sales.

For the first time Supernaturals season DVD release has made the top 30 list for three weeks.

Week #1: 6th place with sales of 109,307 ($4,261,880. in revenue).

Week #2: 18th place with sales of 39,082 ($5,785,687 in revenue generated)

Week #3: 19th place with sales of 41,684 ($7,410,946 in revenue generated).

Total units sold 190,073.

Smallville is the only CW show that has out sold Supernatural this season.

It appears that the set should easily generate 10 million in sales, and based on profit margin of DVD probably 7-8 million in profit. Enough to fully finance 7 episodes of the show from its US DVD sales.
 
Oh, Supernatural is a cash cow and a half for Warners. They'll bludgeon Dawn O to death before they let her cancel it before its fifth season. I'm thinking Sam and Ruby want to kill this monster dude; that's what the hateful remark Dean made to Sam in the preview for next week's ep was about.

"Oh, you want to kill him because he might have something evil inside him....like you?"

Ouch. :borg:
 
Since my affiliate never shows SN preview and goes into extra commercials I hadn't seen the preview until today.

I am willing to beat that the MOTW shown in the previews has nothing to do with what Dean catches Sam doing (or what the preview pictures show Sam and Ruby doing). To me it sounds like and after fight dig at Sam....

I doubt (ok, I hope) that Ruby is only in what I think might be the first act of the episode.

What I guess is something like how Hunted started. Teaser having Dean track Sam down, whether he catches him in the act I don't know (I hope). Then during their fight scene back at what I assume is the motel they get a call about the new case.

I would assume that they are driving to the case or have just researched part of it, and Dean is still pissed when he makes that comment.

I can't imagine Dean lashing out like that unless he either Say Sam using his powers or if he and Sam talked and he discovered that Sam already knew he had demon blood in him and had been keeping that from Dean.

After all if he just caught him with Ruby, all Sam would have to do is say that Ruby just got in touch with him (its not like that didn't happen in season 3). Dean wouldn't know different.
 
This Ruby is duller than dirt. She's going to change meatsuits mid season. That's confirmed, so that's a plus. Genevieve Cortese is simply too blah for the part.
 
Dorian Thompson said:
This Ruby is duller than dirt. She's going to change meatsuits mid season. That's confirmed, so that's a plus. Genevieve Cortese is simply too blah for the part.
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No kidding. I mean I thought she did the first part fine (the motel scene with Sam, Dean and Bobby) after that complete and total crap.
 
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