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News Superman & Lois Ordered to Series at The CW

The fact remains that the half of the country that voted Republican for president are either racist or okay with the president being a white supremacist. That is pretty simple.

Well, it wasn't half the country. It was 70 million of about 240 million eligible voters, or less than a third. It's just that voter turnout was only around 70% of eligible voters, give or take.

I saw a report that in Kentucky, the turnout was over 80% of eligible Republican voters but under 50% of eligible Democratic voters. The GOP has been pretty blatant in its efforts to make it difficult for Democrats to vote, and some Republicans have openly admitted they'd never win an election again if they didn't. They only win by giving themselves an enormous handicap.

Another telling statistic: Since 2000, every presidential ticket with a black candidate on it has won the election, and every Democratic presidential ticket including someone other than a white Christian male (i.e. every ticket but Kerry/Edwards in 2004) has won the popular vote. The majority of the American people want greater diversity in their leaders. That's what the racists are so afraid of and why they fight so hard to cling to the status quo ante.



In no incarnation of Superman would he support a racist, misogynist, sexual predator in the oval office.

That depends on how you define "support." IIRC, he did accept Lex Luthor's authority as president despite knowing of Luthor's evil, because he respected the system and the office. But I'm sure he would've exercised his right to protest and argue against Luthor's policies, and to investigate his wrongdoing as Clark Kent.
 
Who needs a CW superhero show to be "too political" when we have this thread? ;)
 
Who needs a CW superhero show to be "too political" when we have this thread? ;)

Superman has been one of the most political superheroes, and one of the most progressive, since day one. There are people who don't get that, just as there are people who don't get that Star Trek has always been progressive and political.

The problem with the idea that people shouldn't talk about their political differences is that we can't learn to understand each other if we don't have a dialogue. Although of course that requires listening as well as talking, and that's not something people on the Internet are typically good at.
 
Well, it wasn't half the country. It was 70 million of about 240 million eligible voters, or less than a third. It's just that voter turnout was only around 70% of eligible voters, give or take.

I saw a report that in Kentucky, the turnout was over 80% of eligible Republican voters but under 50% of eligible Democratic voters. The GOP has been pretty blatant in its efforts to make it difficult for Democrats to vote, and some Republicans have openly admitted they'd never win an election again if they didn't. They only win by giving themselves an enormous handicap.

First you are missing the point, and second, I don't think it's a good idea to talk about election issues this year given all the irregularities and vote dumps that happened in battleground states and the ongoing litigation over the clear voter fraud. And again, 70 million people are not racist when they vote for Donald Trump. That is a blatantly stupid statement as well as beyond ignorant, especially in light of the reality that Biden is everything liberals get on their soapbox to fight against.

That depends on how you define "support." IIRC, he did accept Lex Luthor's authority as president despite knowing of Luthor's evil, because he respected the system and the office. But I'm sure he would've exercised his right to protest and argue against Luthor's policies, and to investigate his wrongdoing as Clark Kent.

Which is fine--unless Luthor is labeled a Republican, which is not fine.

Who needs a CW superhero show to be "too political" when we have this thread? ;)

I'm interpreting this as the idea that politics ruins the entertainment value of the show, which is something I agree with. I want to see a superhero show, not a commercial for the democrats.

Superman has been one of the most political superheroes, and one of the most progressive, since day one. There are people who don't get that, just as there are people who don't get that Star Trek has always been progressive and political.

Not true at all--not by today's standards. Superman stands for truth, justice and the American way. Basically, Superman is the opposite of progressives, who stand for government control, and most important, Superman loves America, while progressives loathe it. Superman would never condone terrorists like ANTIFA, who take to the streets with violence.

And by today's standards, given how far to the left democrats have become, Star Trek is actually more conservative. Progressives are likely appalled at episodes like Omega Glory.

The problem with the idea that people shouldn't talk about their political differences is that we can't learn to understand each other if we don't have a dialogue. Although of course that requires listening as well as talking, and that's not something people on the Internet are typically good at.

Hang on--that's wrong too. No one ever said we shouldn't have a dialogue, but writers like those on CW are not interested in a dialogue. They want to shove their views down people's throats while demonizing the other side--the exact opposite of a dialogue. There are no conservatives allowed on the CW. They claim to believe in diversity, yet they only allow people who think exactly like them to write and work there.

It is impossible for a CW writer to write anything about conservatives because they have no clue what they are or what they stand for and have no interest. They choose to demonize and fictionalize, which is one of the reasons there complete morons making claims like 70 million people who voted for Trump are racist, while completely being blind to the racism and sexism from Biden and the democrats.

That's stupid and ignorant and completely false.
 
Whoa, boy.
Which is fine--unless Luthor is labeled a Republican, which is not fine.

And who on these CW shows has ever been labeled as either Democrat or Republican? Because, that Nina Turner cameo in the Black Lightning pilot aside, I can't think of anybody. Let's take a look at Supergirl season 4, even had Lynda Carter's President Marsdin been labeled as a Democrat, which I don't think she was, Bruce Boxleitner's villainous Philip Baker was her Vice President, so it'd be highly unlikely that he'd have been a Republican.

Not true at all--not by today's standards. Superman stands for truth, justice and the American way. Basically, Superman is the opposite of progressives, who stand for government control, and most important, Superman loves America, while progressives loathe it. Superman would never condone terrorists like ANTIFA, who take to the streets with violence.

Misrepresentation of what progressives stand for and want aside; dude, have you actually read those early Siegel/Shuster stories? Superman basically was (your idea of) Antifa.
 
Yes, the Superman of the 1938-40 comics was an outlaw activist hunted by the police, battling corrupt politicians and business leaders with open force and tactics that could almost be considered terrorism. Once he took over the airwaves and threatened car manufacturers to make their cars safer or he'd keep destroying their factories. Once he tore down an entire slum district so that the city would have to rebuild it with the better, more livable housing that the slum lords had blocked. He loved America, but he understood that America is the common people, not the greedy elites who thrive at their expense.

And of course he was "antifa" -- that's a given. That word is simply an abbreviation for "anti-fascist," and of course Superman was against fascism -- both during WWII and afterward, when the postwar radio series did multiple storylines about Superman fighting groups that wished to promote fascism and white supremacism in the United States.
 
First you are missing the point, and second, I don't think it's a good idea to talk about election issues this year given all the irregularities and vote dumps that happened in battleground states and the ongoing litigation over the clear voter fraud. And again, 70 million people are not racist when they vote for Donald Trump. That is a blatantly stupid statement as well as beyond ignorant, especially in light of the reality that Biden is everything liberals get on their soapbox to fight against.

*Claims of voter fraud

Maybe you should take the political stuff to Parler or at least TNZ........
 
And who on these CW shows has ever been labeled as either Democrat or Republican? Because, that Nina Turner cameo in the Black Lightning pilot aside, I can't think of anybody. Let's take a look at Supergirl season 4, even had Lynda Carter's President Marsdin been labeled as a Democrat, which I don't think she was, Bruce Boxleitner's villainous Philip Baker was her Vice President, so it'd be highly unlikely that he'd have been a Republican.

And the evil aliens were using Trump slogans.

While the good guys were using Hillary Clinton slogans.

Misrepresentation of what progressives stand for and want aside; dude, have you actually read those early Siegel/Shuster stories? Superman basically was (your idea of) Antifa.

Superman was NOTHING like Antifa. Superman didn't harass innocent people of color and the elderly, hiding behind masks, damaging minority neighborhoods. Superman is literally the opposite of Antifa--who are terrorists, and that's not "my perception."

As for misrepresentation, you didn't see conservatives rioting, looting, destroying, and going after police. You don't see stores being boarded up for fear of Trump supporters. You don't see Trump supporters buring American flags and attacking our Founding Fathers while trying to rewrite history. I think I have it quite right. And I'm more accurate than the misrepresentations of conservatives earlier in this thread.

*Claims of voter fraud

Maybe you should take the political stuff to Parler or at least TNZ........

I agree with you, though it would be nice to see you admonish the liberals who began by calling 70 million people racist, misogynist, and pro white supremacy.

The problem is that the writers of this SHOW are political, which makes it relevant to the show. Not wanting politics and this show to mix is certainly relevant.
 
I agree. Calling 70 million + Americans raycist bigots homophobes because they support Trump is a wagon of BS. Just like calling Biden supporters commie pedo thugs is also a load of BS.
Everybody has there opinions. Get used to it. Over 7 billion different opinions and growing.
And just because they have different opinions doesn't make them a bad guy/girl/other. There just different from you.
More voices not less.
 
I agree. Calling 70 million + Americans raycist bigots homophobes because they support Trump is a wagon of BS. Just like calling Biden supporters commie pedo thugs is also a load of BS.
Everybody has there opinions. Get used to it. Over 7 billion different opinions and growing.
And just because they have different opinions doesn't make them a bad guy/girl/other. There just different from you.
More voices not less.
Agreed..........BOTH sides need to remember how to compromise and work TOGETHER instead of like spoiled 5 year olds........
 
Hey, y'all.

See the forum title?

"Science Fiction & Fantasy."

Let's leave the long-winded political rants to TNZ, okay? Further derails will result in warnings.
 
That depends on how you define "support." IIRC, he did accept Lex Luthor's authority as president despite knowing of Luthor's evil, because he respected the system and the office. But I'm sure he would've exercised his right to protest and argue against Luthor's policies, and to investigate his wrongdoing as Clark Kent.

"Half the country" was figurative--also I was using a phrase from upthread.

The Luthor as President era was interesting, because it was about respecting the will of the people even though the person in power was not "suited" to being in power. I admit I wasn't reading comics during those years but I have seen a few stories from the era and it seemed like the hero community was at least warily keeping an eye on what was going on with Luthor.
 
I agree. Calling 70 million + Americans raycist bigots homophobes because they support Trump is a wagon of BS. Just like calling Biden supporters commie pedo thugs is also a load of BS.
Everybody has there opinions. Get used to it. Over 7 billion different opinions and growing.
And just because they have different opinions doesn't make them a bad guy/girl/other. There just different from you.
More voices not less.

I am the one referred to--I did not say 70 million people were racist. I said they were racist or okay with the president being a white supremacist.

That is not a political statement--as we have known he is racist, bigoted and sexist for decades prior to him running for office. Just because a racist becomes elected does not suddenly make racism an issue that we can agree to disagree on.

EDIT: Also, this comment was made in context of an accusation that half the country is being "demonized" by the showrunners because the program might deal with topical issues -- referring I assumed to racism and sexism.
 
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I am the one referred to--I did not say 70 million people were racist. I said they were racist or okay with the president being a white supremacist.

That is not a political statement--as we have known he is racist, bigoted and sexist for decades prior to him running for office. Just because a racist becomes elected does not suddenly make racism an issue that we can agree to disagree on.

And again, the above comment is ignorant, wrong, and flat out dumb. What's also amazing again, is that Biden is what you are accusing Trump of being, but even with that as a reality, with proof previously provided, I will not call those that support him racist or okay with the president being a white supremacist.

Biden is a racist. Period. His history proves this, unlike Trump, who is a fictional racist that you made up in your mind, Biden has actually been pro-segregation, had a mentor in the KKK, and made several racist comments while on the campaign trail. So I guess you're ok with a president being a racist/white supremacist.

EDIT: Also, this comment was made in context of an accusation that half the country is being "demonized" by the showrunners because the program might deal with topical issues -- referring I assumed to racism and sexism.

Politics has no place in a show about a superhero. What is happening is a bunch of ignorant show runners are bastardizing superheroes to make them champions of their socialist woke propaganda rather than just making a show about superheroes. They beat you over the head with THEIR politics, which is their wrong interpretation of what people they disagree with believe in and are. THAT is the problem. They claim they believe in diversity, but they are the most intolerant people on the planet, as they only believe that their opinions matter. And CW is not the only network guilty of this flaw. It's all over television.

The best shows are the ones that strive to entertain, rather than indoctrinate and radicalize. I don't want Superman to be like that, and if it is, it will be the lowest rated Superman show of all time.
 
Who knew a Superman thread on a Star Trek board would reinforce my happiness to not be American...

Back to the show specifically, Elizabeth Tulloch seems so excited to be part of this, it has such a positive vibe that it's getting me more excited to give the show a shot as well. Love her enthusiasm behind the scenes!
 
Back to the show specifically,
Thank you!
Elizabeth Tulloch seems so excited to be part of this, it has such a positive vibe that it's getting me more excited to give the show a shot as well. Love her enthusiasm behind the scenes!
Definitely agree. She is a great ambassador for the show and for Lois as a character. (And her Twitter is very much worth following.)
 
From the bits and pieces I've seen the cast already seems to be having a great time, and to be bonding quite a bit.
With Supergirl already using quite a few of the bit Superman baddies, like Parasite, Mentallo, and Lex Luthor, I'm curious how this show is going to handle things. Are they going to just not use those characters, build off of what Supergirl did with them, or introduce new post-Crisis versions?
 
From the bits and pieces I've seen the cast already seems to be having a great time, and to be bonding quite a bit.
With Supergirl already using quite a few of the bit Superman baddies, like Parasite, Mentallo, and Lex Luthor, I'm curious how this show is going to handle things. Are they going to just not use those characters, build off of what Supergirl did with them, or introduce new post-Crisis versions?
I would say all of those are options. Not to mention
multiversal alternate versions, which is reportedly what they're doing with Luthor.
 
Yeah, I had heard the spoiler rumor. I'm just happy to hear we'll know if it's true or not by the end of the first episode, so we won't have to sit around until the season or mid-season finale to learn if it is true.
Personally, I'd say that would be the best and easiest way to handle all of those character. They've already changed the baby to two teenagers, so they might as well just stick with that method.
 
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