News Superman & Lois Ordered to Series at The CW

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  1. CorporalClegg

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    While it's an interesting idea, it could easily come off as really poor taste.
     
  2. kirk55555

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    Actually, I specifically said that BL fails to do what Luke Cage was trying to do, which anyone who had watched LC would know I meant the social commentary angle, which LC did pretty well but BL sucked at, much like everything else. Also, you ignore the fact that I was using Black Lightning and supergirl as examples of shows with good main characters that can't save terrible shows. Those examples work perfectly to make the point I was trying to make, at least when it comes to my opinion. I wasn't comparing the premise's of the show, which should have been obvious. Also, opinions aren't objective. You're not wrong to like BL, and I'm not wrong to say its absolute shit.

    Thanks for playing though.

    You are wrong, and also being extremely condescending (among other things). You make that assumption with no evidence, except that I dislike stuff that you like. Some people just confuse complexity with quality, although to be fair Black Lightning is about as complex as the 80s He-Man cartoon, and with worse writing.

    One of the things Luke Cage did well was talk about the social issues, it also had a great villain (admittedly for only about 10 episodes), and pretty good writing outside of the 3rd quarter slump that literally every Netflix Marvel show had for some reason (they really should have just been 10 episodes a piece, since the writers always got worn out about then). That was a show that dealt with complex issues well. Black Lightning doesn't have the writing, premise, or supporting cast to do any of that, and its saddled with having to invent stupid shit for the daughters to do that takes way from what little main plot it even has that isn't just "Black Lightning gets nagged into retiring for no reason".
     
  3. theenglish

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    Your point actually doesn't work because BL is not a terrible show --objectively it is actually an exceptional show---objectively-- if somebody said they didn't like BL or BL wasn't for them, then I would walk away. But not only are you basing your opinion on extremely limited knowledge of the subject, but you are stating it in the way you always do--that it is not your opinion it just IS like you are trying to say.

    For the record, Black Lightning --in my opinion-- actually surpasses Luke Cage in some ways.

    I would humbly suggest either get your act together and stop making widely generalized statements based on little or biased evidence or just move on back to the topic of the show---- which was that you are prejudging this new Superman series without having even seen it yet.
     
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  4. Guy Gardener

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    The last season of Black Lightning was surprisingly superb, but season one was ratshit.

    A gang of drug dealers spend an entire season attacking a School, because they just found out that some people think that drugs are bad for the community.

    No one was a match for Black Lightning.

    Season one should have lasted 15 minutes.
     
  5. theenglish

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    While I totally respect your opinion, Guy, season one was essential world building for the series--something discussed the in current Stargate rewatch thread--that sets up the plot lines for the rest of the series. It also did an amazing job of exploring the characters and their relationships. Most importantly it was a really nuanced examination of race relations in the U.S. that went far beyond anything the CW has done in any of its shows.
     
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  6. Guy Gardener

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    Thank you.

    World building is important.

    Has Black Lightning had any Producer changes over the seasons?
     
  7. Serveaux

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    It's always a giggle when the term "objectively" gets thrown around in regard to popular art. :lol:
     
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  8. thribs

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    This crossover sounds like a bad idea. I can only see them putting Batwoman over which will be a terrible idea at the time when you want to build up Superman for his show. Don’t want to make him look weak.
    How about Supergirl vs Batwoman? That makes more sense.
     
  9. kirk55555

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    In no way is black Lightning an objectively exceptional show. That's just your bias showing through, which is fine but you need to acknowledge it. The only way something might be able to be called objectively exceptional is if it had a LARGE group of people agreeing on that, or if it had done something on a technical level that was innovative enough to justify that title. Black Lightning doesn't have either.

    That's fair enough. Luke Cage definitely had flaws (the episodes around 10-11 were pretty bad, and they killed off their good villain just to replace him with two mediocre ones, which is why I never bothered with Luke Cage season 2). But for me what it did well, it did really well, and in my opinion Black Lightning did nothing well except casting the main character.

    You don't have to see something to judge it. You can tell, at least based on your own opinion, the quality of something based off of evidence. When it comes to predicting what I'll like or dislike, I'm at about a 95% success rate, with literally the only times I was spectacularly wrong being the first Wonder Woman movie and the Shazam movie, which I thought would suck but ended up loving WW and really enjoying Shazam.

    This upcoming Superbabies show was, in my opinion, falsely advertised as a Superman show, so i'm rightly pissed off that its just another teen drama from CW with probably the same amount of Superman in it as the atrocious Lois & Clark show had (meaning about 30 seconds of superman every few episodes). Superman shouldn't have any teens on his show, except maybe jimmy Olsen but that doesn't work for this universe. Now there are at least three, which is even more then fucking awful Black Lightning has. So, yeah, I'd say I've fairly judged the show, based off of what I personally like and hate.
     
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    Well said. Accurate across the board. then again, I believe the one you responded to thinks Shazam was some great superhero film, so there's that....
     
  11. The Realist

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    Shazam! is a great superhero film, both heartfelt and hilarious. You should be concerned that kirk55555 is more right in this case than you. ;)
     
  12. theenglish

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    IIRC he does not like the revamped Captain Marvel which is fine. It is his opinion except he decided he did not like it based on the first to chapters of the character's first arc which were 8 or page back up stories in Justice League.
     
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  14. kirk55555

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    I read every part of the Geoff Johns Shazam story arc through the back ups and his first several appearances. It was garbage. The movie took that premise, but ejected the worst of it. In the comics, billy shakes down a woman he saved for money. In the film, a woman freaks out after he saves her and she shoves money into his hands, which he honestly tries to return but she runs away so he keeps it. Changes like that are what, to me, made the film succeed where the comic was garbage. I'll always prefer the real Captain Marvel (aka pre-New 52), but the Shazam film was fun and well made, taking its source material and improving on it a lot.
     
  15. TREK_GOD_1

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    If I wanted a "hilarious" Shazam, I would watch The Kid Super Power Hour with Shazam! (1981) from Fimation.The film in question was horrible.

    ...only if the world and its perceptions were recreated by Bizarro… :p
     
  16. Guy Gardener

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    Bizarro Captain Marvel...

    Starts off as magical God, who says his magic word "Billy" to transform into a small boy, to commit crimes.
     
  17. The Lensman

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    Well there it is, the dumbest fucking thing I'll read today.
     
  18. kirk55555

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    Then you must literally read only one thing a day. :shrug:
     
  19. Tosk

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    Hey, I've judged plenty of things without seeing them. Like music. ;)
     
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  20. The Lensman

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    No, I literally don’t. And it’s still the dumbest fucking thing I’ve read since then.
     
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