Superman II (The Donner Cut)

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Agent Richard07, Jul 9, 2013.

  1. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Commodore Commodore

    Sep 2, 2008
    I looked up the original shooting script. Found both the one Donner used, so really the true original. But also Lester's modified version which is very interesting. The confrontation is different than what was rewritten.

    The idea was that the Fortress would be like a house of mirrors. That they would all be hiding behind crystals but also all of them using their reflections as a trick to appear other places. What ended up on screen does not really convey that at all. This does explain the original thinking.

    I could see why some see Donner's confrontation as anticlimactic. But I think Lester's additions were unnecessary. The Battle in Metropolis is the big show down. Donner's gives Zod the false self confidence that Superman really has resigned himself to defeat. After his leaving Metropolis. When really it was all a setup to depower them.
  2. DarthPipes

    DarthPipes Vice Admiral Admiral

    Mar 3, 2006
    Heheh. Exactly. Sure, Reeves looked different as both Clark and Superman. But it's his acting and body language that sells the differences between Clark and Superman more than anything.

    "General, would you care to step outside?" is still a thousand times better than the original line.
  3. Dorian Thompson

    Dorian Thompson Admiral Admiral

    Mar 3, 2003
    Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
    Yeah. :lol: I gotta give that one to Lester. Humor, in moderation, is quite the good thing.
  4. The Old Building & Loan

    The Old Building & Loan Auld Lang Mod Moderator

    Feb 4, 2002
    The Old Mixer, somewhere in Bedford Falls
    They both tried to be funny with that's just that one of them wasn't funny.
  5. sonak

    sonak Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jul 13, 2007
    in a figment of a mediocre mind's imagination

    "general, would you care to step outside?" wasn't meant to be a comedy line, it was meant to be a badass line, and a signal that Superman was back. It was a call-back to him getting beat up at the diner, and it was meant to show that he had his powers and confidence back.

    the "freedom of the press" line is just a weak joke.
  6. Captaindemotion

    Captaindemotion Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 26, 2001
    I agree that 'Care to step outside?' is the better line (don't know about comedy - it always gives me goosebumps, in a good way) but at the end of the day, what would the point of The Donner Cut be if it was exactly the same as Lester's version?
  7. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Mar 15, 2001
    ^Right. Like I've been saying, the point wasn't to make a better film, the point was to approximate what Donner's version of the film would've been.