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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 3

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Kai "the spy" said:
Maybe @thribs is thinking of Bizarro, but I'm pretty sure there's been a Bizarro Supergirl in the comics before.
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There's been a Bizarro of pretty much everybody in the comics, but the original was basically a failed Superman clone, and that's the origin they used for the Bizarro Supergirl in the show, with no prior Bizarros having existed in its reality. So in that sense, they did gender-swap Bizarro #1.

More recently, they gender-swapped the second Toyman, Jack B. Nimball, into Jacqueline Nimball.
 
So that's two, and even that's a stretch, across 60 episodes and hundreds of characters.

Hardly something that "they like to do"... :shrug:
 
The show's version of Bizarro -Girl is not a "gender-swap".

So the show has gender-flipped exactly one character, and a fairly obscure character at that.
 
Oh dear, I feel it's just a little disturbing to think this show is weak because Superman's not involved. I really don't feel a show about a female hero needs to constantly remind viewers there's a man out there who could be helping her solve her problems. Why can't her show be all about her?

I don't feel I'd see similar complaints for the reverse, right? Like, shouldn't Clark be calling Kara constantly to help him out? I always understood Supergirl's supposed to be stronger than Superman, so if he's facing some really big threat wouldn't you think it makes more sense for him to ask her for help? If you don't feel he needs to do that then why should she be reaching out to him? Why should his only reason for not helping her be that he's too busy dealing with something bigger, isn't it enough she's a strong superhero who's capable of dealing with problems on her own?

I don't feel Batman would like need to constantly be messaging Catwoman or Batgirl for help or advice all the time, right? I mean, most of the time either could help him, but it's his story and he doesn't need to defer to other characters or remind us he's not alone all the time, so I don't feel Supergirl should really be any different.

I feel you can just imagine she's emailing Clark off screen about what's going on in her life, I'd probably do that if I'm in her place. He has his things going on, she has hers, she doesn't need him holding her hand constantly and she doesn't need to check in with him. Really I feel if anything it should be the other way, she's his guardian right?

I feel in season 1 they're mentioning Clark more just because this show's new and they wanted to really help audiences know her world is connected to his, but now she's really blossoming and totally doesn't need to remind anymore.

Oh please do know I'm not mad, I don't think people might've really thought of this, I'm just offering my perspective here because I'm sure you may not have realized what those types of complaints sound like.
 
DigificWriter said:
So the show has gender-flipped exactly one character, and a fairly obscure character at that.
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More than one. They also flipped Professor Emil Hamilton into Amelia Hamilton.

And The Flash has done it more than Supergirl, giving us female versions of the Bug-Eyed Bandit, the Top, Black Bison, and the Fiddler.

And you know what? There's nothing wrong with that. Swapping characters' gender or ethnicity in adaptations has become a perfectly routine, commonplace practice over the past decade and a half. It's been successful on many occasions -- Starbuck and Boomer on Galactica, Joan Watson on Elementary, Kona in Hawaii Five-0 (the second gender-swapped Grace Park character), Jennifer Goines in 12 Monkeys, Jeryn Hogarth in Iron Fist, Dr. Smith in Lost in Space, etc. Given so many successes of the practice, it's quite ludicrous at this point for anyone to pretend there's something bad about it.
 
Christopher said:
More than one. They also flipped Professor Emil Hamilton into Amelia Hamilton.

And The Flash has done it more than Supergirl, giving us female versions of the Bug-Eyed Bandit, the Top, Black Bison, and the Fiddler.

And you know what? There's nothing wrong with that. Swapping characters' gender or ethnicity in adaptations has become a perfectly routine, commonplace practice over the past decade and a half. It's been successful on many occasions -- Starbuck and Boomer on Galactica, Joan Watson on Elementary, Kona in Hawaii Five-0 (the second gender-swapped Grace Park character), Jennifer Goines in 12 Monkeys, Jeryn Hogarth in Iron Fist, Dr. Smith in Lost in Space, etc. Given so many successes of the practice, it's quite ludicrous at this point for anyone to pretend there's something bad about it.
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Yes absolutely, you really have to because historically you have such an over-representation of white male characters. I feel there's only really a problem when you take a minority character and turn him or her into a white male. Thank you for your post, it's so very refreshing seeing perspectives like yours.
 
Christopher said:
More than one. They also flipped Professor Emil Hamilton into Amelia Hamilton.

And The Flash has done it more than Supergirl, giving us female versions of the Bug-Eyed Bandit, the Top, Black Bison, and the Fiddler.

And you know what? There's nothing wrong with that. Swapping characters' gender or ethnicity in adaptations has become a perfectly routine, commonplace practice over the past decade and a half. It's been successful on many occasions -- Starbuck and Boomer on Galactica, Joan Watson on Elementary, Kona in Hawaii Five-0 (the second gender-swapped Grace Park character), Jennifer Goines in 12 Monkeys, Jeryn Hogarth in Iron Fist, Dr. Smith in Lost in Space, etc. Given so many successes of the practice, it's quite ludicrous at this point for anyone to pretend there's something bad about it.
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Two things:
1) I'd forgotten about Amelia Hamilton, so thanks for the correction

2) Technically, they genderswapped Hogarth for Jessica Jones, not Iron Fist, because she first debuts in Season 1 of the former
 
If I want to watch Superman, I'll look for a show called "Superman". He doesn't need to show up every time Supergirl has a hangnail.
 
Marynator said:
Yes absolutely, you really have to because historically you have such an over-representation of white male characters. I feel there's only really a problem when you take a minority character and turn him or her into a white male.
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Well, the Arrowverse did sort of do that in one case -- they turned Mr. Terrific's black wife Paula Holt into his white husband Paul. So they turned a black woman into a white man, but they also turned a single-race heterosexual marriage into a biracial gay marriage. So I guess it cancels out, or even comes out ahead, since they thereby turned two heterosexual characters gay.
 
I think it's worth making a distinction here between reimagining a character as a different gender than in previous portrayals (eg Hogarth ) and "gender swapping" in universe as part of the narrative. Whilst both achieve the same laudable goal of balancing representation more evenly only one really can be held up as in anyway commenting on or representing the trans community.
 
Spot261 said:
I think it's worth making a distinction here between reimagining a character as a different gender than in previous portrayals (eg Hogarth ) and "gender swapping" in universe as part of the narrative. Whilst both achieve the same laudable goal of balancing representation more evenly only one really can be held up as in anyway commenting on or representing the trans community.
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Huh? "Gender-swapping" has nothing whatsoever to do with the Transgender community.

The term literally refers to taking a character of one gender and making that character the opposite gender.

For a good DC Comics-related example, see Superman/Batman #23.
 
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