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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2
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We know she doesn't have a high opinion of Guardian's abilities, and James did kind of get his butt kicked. I'm not sure it's been established whether Daxamites in this continuity are immune to kryptonite, and Mon-El's still a novice crimefighter. As for J'onn... Maybe he's still recovering from his battle with the White Martians last week?
Oh, good point. Lena did say Lex had gone insane.
The friendship between Clark and Lex was not added by Smallville. It was established (or rather, a Superboy-Lex friendship was established) in a 1960 story in Adventure Comics #271 by Jerry Siegel and Al Plastino. It was part of their backstory from then until the continuity reboot in 1987.
Oh, I was assuming that was a version of Vartox's axe from the pilot.
I had the opposite reaction -- I thought it was very contrived how quick both James and Snapper were to rush to judgment and convict someone in the press instead of giving her the benefit of the doubt. They're both supposed to be conscientious, responsible journalists, not sleazy tabloid publishers, so it was unseemly for them to jump so hastily to conclusions and defend a guilty-until-proven-innocent mentality as if it were the superior ethical stance. I felt it was out-of-character behavior forced on them to create an artificial conflict with Kara.
I suspect the gentlemen's ignorance re: Alex & Maggie's relationship was explained when both James & Wynn assumed Alex was about to introduce them to a guy. Sure, they saw Maggie conferring with Alex in the DEO but they only saw what they expected to see, a cop talking to an agent. Earlier in the season Wynn even made a comment that Alex was "only" friends with Maggie and not hung up on her the way he had been on Kara. I think it was before Alex had actually admitted her true feelings to herself, much less to Maggie.
I wonder if Lillian killed Lena's mom.
Lionel is probably alive and will be trotted out as a season 3 "big bad."
I'm really glad that Lena is not yet a "bad guy". It is so trite that Supergirl's main nemesis is just a carbon copy of Superman's main villian. I prefer the "evil Luthor" to be the evil mother and that Lena has to keep fighting her upbringing and the expectations of the world to get ahead.
As for the question as to why Kara trusts her, it's 'cuz they have a history. Lena was her first story with Clark, her 1st story by herself that earned a byline, and she shot the bad guy trying to kill Kara's big sister. She may have tricked Kara into asking Supergirl to guard the block party, but she did it to trap some bad guys.
Yes, Lena has an evil step mom but Kara can relate since she has her own evil relative (dead auntie) and she did look into Lena's eyes over the "outing" of said evil mom and believed (correctly) that Lena wasn't involved.
The stuff with James was apples and oranges. It isn't that she doesn't trust him, it's that she doesn't want him to get hurt playing vigilante. Remember , she can be just as judgemental of Alex when she goes out on a mission without adequate backup.
Overall, I enjoyed the ep and look forward to following more bread crumbs in the tale of the family Luthor.
I have to disagree. I don't want her to be bad. That just seems too obvious and predictable
Yes.
I believe Lillian mentions that it is a Black Mercy, the same creature that attached itself to Kara in season 1 and made her dream of being back on Krypton.
That seems pointless to me. Lex Luthor's father as a villain made sense in Smallville because Lex was young and hadn't turned evil yet, so Lionel was created as a surrogate for Lex, and as a partial explanation for what Lex became. But on this show, set later in Superman's career, if you want a bald male Luthor as the big bad, there's no reason not to go with Lex himself.
Also, while giving Supergirl her own Luthor family member to contend with once is an understandable choice, I think it would work against her independence as a character if she were repeatedly pitted against Luthors. It's true that Supergirl hasn't historically had much of a rogues' gallery of her own in the comics, but I'd like it if the show could find someone less Superman-adjacent to be her foe next season.
Besides, the actor they got, Ian Butcher, is someone who's mostly played fairly small background roles in Canadian TV, it seems to me. He's only once played a recurring character, in a 4-part arc on Stargate Universe, though he played what might or might not have been a recurring Observer in three episodes of Fringe. Other than that, he's only played one-shot guest roles, which suggests that the producers don't envision Lionel as anything more than that.
Why "not yet?" Why does everyone keep assuming Lena's meant to turn bad at some point? In the comics, the role of Lena "Thorul" (as she was known) was to be the good Luthor sibling, the one who wasn't even aware that she was related to this master criminal and would've been horrified to find out. That was pretty much the whole point of the character -- she was the one good and pure thing connected to Lex Luthor, and he cared deeply about preserving her innocence and making sure she never learned of their relationship. She was a friend to the Superman Family and she didn't have an evil bone in her body.
Granted, Katie McGrath does have a history playing good girls gone bad (in Merlin and Dracula), and she is really sexy as a bad girl, but that doesn't mean it's bound to happen here. I think maybe they cast someone with a "wicked" air to her so that it would be ambiguous, so that we'd initially be unsure whether she was good or bad. But we've now seen two consecutive Lena appearances where we've been led to suspect she was evil only to have it turn out that she was good all along. How many more times does she have to prove herself before the audience realizes she's not meant to be evil?
But that is a lack of trust -- in his judgment and his ability. It's not believing him when he tells her this is a calling rather than some passing whim or something he's just "playing" at.
Granted it was only a small snippet was that the most CW Mxy ever?
One of two, maybe. Here's the version from Smallville, who was a foreign exchange student with the power of suggestion rather than a 5th-dimensional being with reality-bending abilities.
^ yeah, that's pretty CW I must say...
I really liked this episode but feel at a bit of a disadvantage because I'm not familiar with the Luthor backstory from the comics or smallville. I really did like the backstory here and we got to see Lionel and young Lex. Also this episode looked awesome, visually, with The outside of the DEO, Metello, and the explosion.
Looking forward to next week's fun episode.
Looking forward to next week's fun episode.
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Could be just a Rubik's cube
Yeah, it's heavily implied he's gone a bit mad, because just being in prison doesn't seem to be much of an obstacle for Luthors...
J'onn did show up as backup for the fight, the CGI budget allowed him just enough time to save the day
Me too, the whole "evil in the genes" thing is something this show should go against.
They did imply that she is smarter than Lex and is in fact playing some long game, but I still think it's on the side of good and they just made her look slightly sinister to play up the mystery, kinda like they did with Hank before he was revealed as J'onn.
You shouldn't have to be. Each adaptation gets to reinvent the characters from scratch. All you need to know is the version the show itself presents. After all, the vast majority of the TV audience is like you, unfamiliar or only partly familiar with prior interpretations. So you don't have to feel left out. No adaptation should ever require its viewers to be intimately familiar with earlier works. Any nods to earlier works should just be a bonus. I think maybe the hardcore fans get so into discussing Easter eggs and continuity ties online that it sometimes gives the unfortunate impression that that's the whole point of the exercise. But it's kind of like sports fans discussing players' statistics and career histories and other such trivia. That's meta-analysis. It's not important if you just want to watch the game and see how it turns out.
I think I was more reacting to the comments of this thread kind of talking about Smallville and just the backstory. As it was presented in Supergirl, it was really enjoyable but I know there is more to that family that they didn't present. Heck, the best thing this season has done other than Alex's coming out has been Lena Luthor. She's been interesting in all the episodes she's been in and I hope she doesn't turn bad because that might diminish what this season has developed with her already.
The character represents the beliefs of the showrunners, hence the "only Supergirl can save the day" in the face of Metallo's go-to attack. ..and for anyone thinking "she risked it because Metallo's Kryptonite was in a state of decay" would be incorrect, since his blasts were more than effective against her. Aside from the Guardian's brief, but brutal fight with Metallo, the super-powered characters were forced to sit in their hands.
Quickie, unrealistic repair job. As hardline as she was against James being the Guardian--and now he's suffered a wound from a Kryptonite blast (the kind of thing she complained about), along with his unwavering dedication to his own beliefs and sense of destiny, she would not quickly swallow her judgmental/hypocritical nature to make up with James. It seemed like the showrunners needed to dump the conflict so the series can spend more time on the stale CW romance subplot.
You really don't need to worry about that. Smallville may have run for a ridiculously long time, but it's not all that significant an influence on Supergirl aside from the casting of Laura Vandervoort (Smallville's Kara/Supergirl) as Indigo. The introduction of Lionel Luthor is the first instance I can think of where any idea or character specific to Smallville has been used in Supergirl. Mostly, the show's influences come from the comics, the movies of the '70s and '80s, and Lois & Clark, which is the show it's probably closest to in tone.
The final chess move shot was there for a reason, and for the benefit of the series, it should not be misdirection on the part of the writers.
My interpretation of the final chess move scene was to show that Lena is a very calculating person who has her own goals that she is pursuing. Maybe she truly does not approve of her mother's ideas and goals or maybe she just wants to accomplish the same goals a different way.
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