Super Hi Res Enterprise

[trevanian]

I'm having a hard time believing this isn't a practical model built for the beauty shots.

I'll be seriously surprised if that image didn't start with a practical miniature. The mold ins on the unlit rim windows and the way the light falls off in parts of the undersaucer seem very photoreal to my jaded eye. I keep checking Kerner Optical to see just what physical work they have done for TREK, but there are no details.

 

[ancient]

There is a little problem with the window theory, mainly that there is no window on the exterior of the bridge dome.

Unlike on the Kelvin exterior.

It is not a window.

It looks like the the sensor dome on the bottom of the saucer lights up. I suspected it might, but wasn't sure enough to say anything about it before.

 

[trevanian]

There is a little problem with the window theory, mainly that there is no window on the exterior of the bridge dome.

Unlike on the Kelvin exterior.

It is not a window.

It looks like the the sensor dome on the bottom of the saucer lights up. I suspected it might, but wasn't sure enough to say anything about it before.

I said RIM, as in rim of saucer. I didn't even look up at the top of the saucer, just at the rim and underside and at the front of the nacelle.

Oh, are you talking about the Spock window pic? ne'er mind.

 

[Devon]

No the stars are also very slightly blurred horizontally

Exactly, you'd think that we have high res pics that people might care to look at them at 100%.

 

[Devon]

Or,

They have spent more time working on the VFX since the Empire pic?

No dispute.

It's a window.

According to you. Show it to us from the teaser trailer.

And no the bridge doesn't rotate. Surely it's infinitely more plausible that the ship is simply moving slowly?

To the point that the entire top of the saucer shifted over about 30°? Compare the registry marking on the main hull in both pics.

Also, someone should look at the edge of the hull shape itself: it favors a slight curve down/inward. Possibly from the VIEW screen distortion. An honest clear view of a flat circular surface wouldn't product such a shape.

 

[ancient]

It looks like all the saucer rim windows are square or (rounded) rectangular. Kinda strange, but I like it. I assumed the little ones were circular.

 

[Ultimale]

Too bad hi-res pics don't do anything other than exploit the horrid nature of this "design."

 

[Gepard]

Interesting that the floodlights on the underside of the saucer are coming from tiny little lights on the saucer itself and not from the boxy fairings connected to the sensor dome. I wonder what those are for? If it wasn't for the torpedo launchers on the neck, I'd think torpedoes, but...

 

[Nowhere Man]

I don't understand why there's no delta shield or hull markings on the ship

 

[Kpnuts]

According to you. Show it to us from the teaser trailer.

I'll say it again. The Kelvin has a very prominent window... it's obviously an idea that Abrams likes and wants to go with with his starship designs.

On the Enterprise, it's a window, that can turn into a viewscreen as well.

To the point that the entire top of the saucer shifted over about 30°? Compare the registry marking on the main hull in both pics.

You just agreed above that they redid the VFX shot since the Empire pic! They obviously redid the positioning of the saucer on the outside of the ship.

 

[Jessop]

tbh I would figure it is the otherway around, the empire pic looks like the more polished of the two. Why would the saucer be off at a daft angle like in the new pic?

 

[Swarles Barkley]

I like that there's a "47" on one of the screens (leftmost) at the workstation behind Kirk in the first bridge shot. Another nice little touch.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

And no the bridge doesn't rotate. Surely it's infinitely more plausible that the ship is simply moving slowly?

Well, if you're going to go with a physical window, you might as well make the bridge rotate, too, since that's easier than moving the whole ship whenever you want to "look around."

 

[Devon]

According to you. Show it to us from the teaser trailer.

I'll say it again. The Kelvin has a very prominent window... it's obviously an idea that Abrams likes and wants to go with with his starship designs.

On the Enterprise, it's a window, that can turn into a viewscreen as well.

By your reasoning, the Enterprise should just have one nacelle just because the Kelvin did too.

You just agreed above that they redid the VFX shot since the Empire pic! They obviously redid the positioning of the saucer on the outside of the ship.

I've never once disputed that and that was part of my whole point from the get go (same shot, different backgrounds.) But if the new shot is anything to go by then it shouldn't lend anything to it being a window, because why would the saucer be way off center like that, especially from that particular view? Along with the horizontal streaking of the stars, this is why I get that it is panning scan around the saucer.

 

[Devon]

tbh I would figure it is the otherway around, the empire pic looks like the more polished of the two. Why would the saucer be off at a daft angle like in the new pic?

Look at what I've been saying this whole time... it would be a bridge camera panning around (Hince the off angle look, hince all of the horizontal streaking stars, and hince why the edge of the saucer from that view has a distorted inward/downward edge.) In fact the edge of the hull almost runs parallel with the bottom of the viewscreen in it's general inward curvy shape.

Otherwise, why did the "Enterprise-E" have a "daft aft view" in Insurrection? Because it was the aft camera.

 

[Devon]

I don't understand why there's no delta shield or hull markings on the ship

No delta shield, but the bottom of the secondary hull near the deflector has "NCC-1701" and there is an NCC-1701 on the nacelle at the right hand edge of the pic. And of course, there is the "U.S.S. Enterprise/NCC-1701" on the top of the saucer that we saw in the trailer.

 

[MadMan1701A]

I don't understand why there's no delta shield or hull markings on the ship

No delta shield, but the bottom of the secondary hull near the deflector has "NCC-1701" and there is an NCC-1701 on the nacelle at the right hand edge of the pic. And of course, there is the "U.S.S. Enterprise/NCC-1701" on the top of the saucer that we saw in the trailer.

This is very interesting. I think I have to totally rethink my model, now. I can now see that those engine cowlings stop, they don't go all the way back. This needs some more attention, for sure...

-=MadMan=-

 

[Kpnuts]

And no the bridge doesn't rotate. Surely it's infinitely more plausible that the ship is simply moving slowly?

Well, if you're going to go with a physical window, you might as well make the bridge rotate, too, since that's easier than moving the whole ship whenever you want to "look around."

The window also acts as a viewscreen.

By your reasoning, the Enterprise should just have one nacelle just because the Kelvin did too.

No, they're completely different.

The window on the Kelvin is a small design decision that could easily be ubiquitous with all Abrams-era Starfleet ships. The Enterprise has a window on the bridge, that acts like a viewscreen when required.

Anyway the practically un-noticeable motion blur on the stars is so small that the viewscreen would have to be moving at a slug's pace, all while the camera is on Spock having a chat with someone. It's not plausible. The ship moving slowly, however is.

Thinking about it, yes the Empire pic probably is the latest shot with more up to date VFX.

Definitely window. Just like this...

They wouldn't include a window on the Kelvin (something that's never been seen on Starfleet ships before, and then not do the same on the Enterprise). It's basic common sense. Plus the physical similarities are too obvious to ignore

 

[EJD1984]

I don't understand why there's no delta shield or hull markings on the ship

This goes back to my theory that the UFP may not have been formed in this "alternate" timeline yet, due to some form of corruption by Nero

I've also been looking for some type of plating/hatch/tube used for the escape pod that Kirk appears to use - and there doesn't seem to be that detail in this new pic.

There seems to be blue lighting on the underside of the warp nacelles. I guess they figured that we've seen the blue on the inside & outside of the engines - why not do something different/new, and put it on the bottom.

 

[Devon]

The window on the Kelvin is a small design decision that could easily be ubiquitous with all Abrams-era Starfleet ships. The Enterprise has a window on the bridge, that acts like a viewscreen when required.

Evidence?

Anyway the practically un-noticeable motion blur on the stars is so small that the viewscreen would have to be moving at a slug's pace,

So?

all while the camera is on Spock having a chat with someone. It's not plausible. The ship moving slowly, however is.

You need to think about that. There is one camera on Spock, the view screen outside is from a different "camera." If it is doing a pan scan then Spock doesn't have to be "blurring" just because the stars are.

Thinking about it, yes the Empire pic probably is the latest shot with more up to date VFX.

Definitely window. Just like this...

Show it to us on the Enterprise-Teaser which we see a clear outside view of the bridge? There were no windows on the outside of the bridge.

They wouldn't include a window on the Kelvin (something that's never been seen on Starfleet ships before, and then not do the same on the Enterprise).

Why not? It's a generation before the Enterprise. They had one nacelle on the Kelvin and two on the Enterprise. The Kelvin is not The Enterprise.

It's basic common sense. Plus the physical similarities are too obvious to ignore

What "physical similarities?" You are just saying "Its a window because the Kelvin has one" but you aren't giving any evidence why this view is a Window.