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1.) It IS indeed a viewscreen (and not a window as had been speculated) and it displays what appears to be a rotating camera image from the bridge POV.

2.) It’s a window and the bridge rotates.

Which one is more feasible?

Option 3> you have waaaaaaaay too much time on your hands.

It only took me a couple of minutes to figure that out, though I manage my time just fine. Thanks.

While Devon may occasionally forget to make use of the Multi-Quote feature, I'd consider his post content to be shaded well away from spammish. Since he did make specific mention of streaking of the stars in his first post of the thread here:

Exactly. Though I have to get in the habit with the multi-quote function. The other forums I am part of dont have that function so I am used to the one reply at a time thing.

and was clearly not talking about the reflections on the surface of the viewscreen, might I suggest that a simple clarification of what you meant would have been sufficient?
Exactly! Thanks for clearing that up.
 
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The Kelvin has a window that turns into a viewscreen when needed.

Maybe. All we know for certain is that there are three window-like openings on the front of the bridge area on the kelvin. It may be a viewer too, or maybe not. Seriously, you need to stop making these assumptions.

The Enterprise does too.

Nope, it doesn't. There is still no evidence to support this.
 
What does plasma screen mean? Why would a viewscreen reflect bridge lights. Even the NX-01's viewscreen didn't do that.

A Plasma Screen is an HDTV that is notorious for reflecting lights. Its a glossy surface to a TV.

You clearly don't have a clue what the word 'trend' means. Starfleet ships have saucers, they have red nacelle caps, they have secondary hulls, they have bridge modules on the top of their saucer, they have a navigational deflector, they have registries painted onto the hull, they have blinking formation lights... these are all design trends. Yes the configuration/shape/purpose of a ship may vary... but there are design trend similarities across them all.
I do know what "Trends" are. But there is almost thing similar between the Kelvin and the new Enterprise.

What does that last point have to do with anything? It doesn't do anything for either of our arguments, it's just the perspective, showing something that's very far away. Looks fine to me.
This is where you need to think about this.

This is a view of a circular surface from about where the bridge would be as I drew up fast in sketch up.

bridgepers1.jpg


You can see that the middle section goes *upwards* from that perspective. It is higher than the sides on the left and the right. Take a paper plate under your chin, you'll see the exact same thing.

Now look at the saucer in the Empire photo and new res photo:

bridgeent1.jpg


bridge2.jpg


The longest line is as high as the highest point of the saucer section, which is coming from the side while the middle section as marked as being LOWER. Which means the sides are higher than the mid point. How can that happen in a normal clear perspective of a circular plane? The viewscreens bottom end also seems to follow the same sort of shape from this angle. THIS is what I am talking about regarding "viewscreen distortion."

Face it. A digital viewscreen would NOT reflect bridge lights. It would be completely impractical, and possibly dangerous in a firefight.
See my point above regarding plasma.
 
Maybe. All we know for certain is that there are three window-like openings on the front of the bridge area on the kelvin. It may be a viewer too, or maybe not. Seriously, you need to stop making these assumptions.

It's not an assumption.

This is a window:

windowqr9.jpg


Abrams made the Kelvin have a front facing window for a viewscreen. Now, given that a single view would be pretty useless on a starship, we have to assume that the Kelvin's bridge window, can turn into a viewscreen whenever it needed to (to see ships approaching from behind for instance).

Nope, it doesn't. There is still no evidence to support this.

If you honestly believe there's no evidence to support the argument that it's a window, then by all accounts there's no evidence to say it's a viewscreen.

The fact that it clearly looks like a window, and clearly DOESN'T look like a viewscreen seemingly doesn't matter to you.

And please don't give me the angled view of the saucer. Fact remains, we have to shots, each with different VFX, with no way of knowing which is the correct one... although you'd imagine the one where the window is in line with the registry/saucer is the correct one (the Empire pic)



A Plasma Screen is an HDTV that is notorious for reflecting lights. Its a glossy surface to a TV.

I know what a plasma screen is, I just didn't know what your point was. It's reflective is it? Ok... so because our televisions are reflective now, it means starship viewscreens can be hundreds of years in the future.... interesting.

I do know what "Trends" are. But there is almost thing similar between the Kelvin and the new Enterprise.

They both have a saucer. They both have their designation painted on the saucer. They both have bridge modules on the top of the saucer. They both have impulse engines and shuttle bays. They both have a deflector dish. They both have their registries painted at various points throughout the ship. They're both made of grey metal. These are all trends. Just because one ship only has one nacelle doesn't mean they are made using two sets of design rules. It's called design consistency and is something we use even today.

This is a view of a circular surface from about where the bridge would be as I drew up fast in sketch up.

Sorry this means nothing to me. Congrats on spotting that a couple of (perhaps unfinished) CGI shots have a bit of distortion... why would a viewscreen distort the image if it isn't a 'real' view of the saucer? Sounds dangerous to me. As dangerous as a viewscreen reflecting anything on the bridge in the heat of battle.
 
It's not an assumption.

This is a window:

windowqr9.jpg


Abrams made the Kelvin have a front facing window for a viewscreen. Now, given that a single view would be pretty useless on a starship, we have to assume that the Kelvin's bridge window, can turn into a viewscreen whenever it needed to (to see ships approaching from behind for instance).

However, saying the window looks into the bridge is certainly an assumption. It could very well be a briefing room, or observation corridor for all we know (The Kelvin's bridge module is by no means insubstantial). As is believing that that design element carried over. The Enterprise and Kelvin are from two completley different generations of ship. Look at the B-52 and B-2, for example. You're trying to think of them as contemporaries, when the Kelvin is supposed to be this older design.

As for the assumption that it's a viewscreen... well, yeah. That's because there's precedence for it. There's no precedence in Trek for Federation starships to have windows at the front of the bridge.
 
Ahem.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/CaptApril/TrekXI_notstreaks.jpg

As for the apparently blurred stars, I think we're looking as lens refraction rather than motion blurring.

In other words, someone decided that it'd be cooler to have a big picture window in front, and to really sell the point that it's a window, they make sure we can see the edge of the saucer out in front, geometry be damned. So, not only is it a window, it's got a bit of a fisheye lens property to it.
 
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There's no precedence in Trek for Federation starships to have windows at the front of the bridge.

There's also not been any Abrams-inspired Trek before now either.

And when you say there's not been a precedent set for windows at the front of Federations bridges... the USS Kelvin has one, in this very movie. Yes the ships are years apart in terms of era, but they're both still federation starships.They're not that far apart timeline wise.

And my point about the Kelvin having a window... yes it could be a briefing room, or similar, but that's unlikely.

Come on, if you had to bet $100 on what that panelling in the pic above was... there's no way anyone would seriously, realistically say anything other than a window that looks in on the bridge.
 
Maybe. All we know for certain is that there are three window-like openings on the front of the bridge area on the kelvin. It may be a viewer too, or maybe not. Seriously, you need to stop making these assumptions.

It's not an assumption.

This is a window:

windowqr9.jpg


Abrams made the Kelvin have a front facing window for a viewscreen. Now, given that a single view would be pretty useless on a starship, we have to assume that the Kelvin's bridge window, can turn into a viewscreen whenever it needed to (to see ships approaching from behind for instance).

Yes, it is indeed an assumption. those three things may indeed be windows onto the bridge. That doesn't mean they are also viewscreens. Technically speaking, a mondo viewer isn't required. Each person may have their own viewer. We don't know.

Also, the Kelvin is supposed to be much older than the ENT, they will look vastly different on the inside, just as they look vastly different on the outside.

We certainly don't know that those three windows are window/viewers.
Nope, it doesn't. There is still no evidence to support this.

If you honestly believe there's no evidence to support the argument that it's a window, then by all accounts there's no evidence to say it's a viewscreen.
Other than it being this big thing that shows an angled to the port view of the exterior and it not being a window. Which makes it pretty obvious what it IS. It the same thing we've seen on bridges since TOS.

The fact that it clearly looks like a window, and clearly DOESN'T look like a viewscreen seemingly doesn't matter to you.
To you, maybe it looks window-ish.

A window and a viewscreen should look pretty much exactly the same. That's the whole point of a viewer, no? But since this is not showing a 'window view'...

And please don't give me the angled view of the saucer. Fact remains, we have to shots, each with different VFX, with no way of knowing which is the correct one... although you'd imagine the one where the window is in line with the registry/saucer is the correct one (the Empire pic)
So you think the earlier image is correct rather than the newer, bigger pic? So what, they 'fixed it' to look wrong or something?


I know what a plasma screen is, I just didn't know what your point was. It's reflective is it? Ok... so because our televisions are reflective now, it means starship viewscreens can be hundreds of years in the future.... interesting.

No, it means Abrams has a hard-on for glare. Look how bright that bridge is.

As dangerous as a viewscreen reflecting anything on the bridge in the heat of battle.

I think that the bridge will darken for red alert, thusly solving the glare problem.

As bright as the bridge is, a window that shiney would look like a mirror. Nothing would be visible through it.
 
Sorry this means nothing to me.

Of course not.

Congrats on spotting that a couple of (perhaps unfinished) CGI shots have a bit of distortion...

Even if they are unfinished, it wouldn't explain how the saucer would bow down.

why would a viewscreen distort the image if it isn't a 'real' view of the saucer?

Because it's the angle we may be looking at, especially if the view screen may not be entirely flat and have a bit of a curve. All in perspective.
 
just as they look vastly different on the outside.

They don't look vastly different on the outside. They're still federation starships, the NX-01 bridge looks very similar to the Defiant bridge in terms of layout. The NX-01 even looks like the Akira class. They're all the same sort of design.

So you think the earlier image is correct rather than the newer, bigger pic? So what, they 'fixed it' to look wrong or something?

The quality of these pics don't exactly fill me with confidence. The terribly under-exposed shot of the Enterpries for instance. I'd say there's every possibility the Empire pic is the final version. It'd make sense, seeing as the exterior ship is in line with the bridge.


As bright as the bridge is, a window that shiney would look like a mirror. Nothing would be visible through it.

We're talking years into the future ffs. I'm not saying they build their windows out of 20th century glass.

I really can't be bothered arguing anymore, we're going around in circles.
 
Because it's the angle we may be looking at,

Yes, like the angle we'd be looking at through a window?

especially if the view screen may not be entirely flat and have a bit of a curve. All in perspective.

Yes, like a window not being entirely flat. In fact it's more likely that a window is curved, and not a viewscreen.

This curved/distorted saucer find of yours doesn't help your case by the way. It does nothing for either of our arguments.
 
According to this post on the official forum:

http://www.startrekmovie.com/forums/showpost.php?p=133221&postcount=88

The bridge is at a 36 degree angle to the centre of the ship. Hmmm, maybe that'd explain why the window in the high res shot shows the saucer at a weird angle...

Although I still think it's an old temporary CGI shot that hasn't been completed yet.

That's in FJ's plans for the TOS bridge, not the new film. And in the TOS and Trek Tech fora, the angled bridge idea causes arguments that makes this one look tame. :p
 
I seeee..... well I didn't really think the bridge was angled like that. Seems a bit stupid to me, but it would explain the strangely angled view of the saucer through the big glass reflecting window :-P
 
I seeee..... well I didn't really think the bridge was angled like that. Seems a bit stupid to me, but it would explain the strangely angled view of the saucer through the big glass reflecting window :-P

http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/federation-starship-uss-enterprise-sheet-12.jpg

Rotated to accommodate the exterior "bridge bump" as the turbolift shaft.

Paging Captain April! Captain Robert April, please report to the house courtesy phone!

And you folks thought you were talking in circles before?
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