Apparently not:
ancient said:
Anyway...
ancient said:
Says you with no better evidence than those who say it is window.
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Apparently not:
Anyway...
Says you with no better evidence than those who say it is window.
My friend, it is very old news to me.
As I explained, you're nitpicking what I said, while ignoring the point of my post. I explained the context. Yes, technically, glass will distort an image. So what? That's irrelevant. Thanks for playing.
Much better evidence. Look at that picture of the bridge. A window? The mechanics of it are totally impossible. There's no way it can work.
...or less:
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/generations/ch12/gen0819.jpg
(image from trekcore.com)
But I bet you'd give a fuck if Romulean Space commanders abseil down onto the enterprise (from a cloaked space helicopter) and kick through the glass. I think they would be as cool as fuck and it would be great at the cinema as 100s of fundamentalists start to riot and throw things at the screen.
Wow! We get to throw things? Well, count me in, then!
FESTIVAL!! FESTIVAL!!
FESTIVAL!! FESTIVAL!!
I'll bring the rice, water pistols and toast...
...and let's not forget the dance:
Don't forget to bring a crow to the movie... for you to snack on.
Why do I imagine the audience for this film showing up with toast, rice, squirt-guns, and copies of the "Plain Dealer?"
EDIT: Damn, and here I was hoping I was making an obscure reference... but someone else beat me to it!
All right, sir you win. Romulan Space Commanders and Space Helicopters for the win! If that shit isn't in the sequel Bob Orci can expect a letter with some pretty pointed language from me!
All right, sir you win. Romulan Space Commanders and Space Helicopters for the win! If that shit isn't in the sequel Bob Orci can expect a letter with some pretty pointed language from me!
Wait! even cooler - they kick the windows and... bounce off into space.
Damn - the more I think about it, I wish Don Simpson was still alive so he could have done twenty lines of coke and then wrote bits of the script as they made the movie.
Kirk - I feel the need for speed! Sulu, Warp Speed, you Mofo!
CaptainHawk1
Commodore
What Daedalus class? Find me one instance in Trek where a Daedalus class is shown and referred to as such. It's conjectural and never has existed in Trek.
-Shawn
Find me one instance in Trek where a Daedalus class is shown and referred to as such. It's conjectural and never has existed in Trek.
-Shawn
Well, I believe the "Daedalus class" is referred to in the TNG episode "Power Play."
That said, it was never associated with any visual design. The idea that it's canonically that globe-hulled ship results from the fact that a model of a globe-hulled ship was seen in Sisko's office, and that a label on it - never legible onscreen - referred to it either as a Daedalus class or by a ship name that's somehow associated with the Daedalus.
So - existence of a "Daedalus class" is canon. What it looked like is not officially established.
Right.
The model in Sisko's office didn't have a plaque on the base, but it was labelled as the Horizon. That means a starship named Horizon, possibly the one that visited Sigma Iota II, looked like that.
Aside: Of course, it might not be that one -- a copy of Chicago Mobs of the Twenties was seen aboard the cargo vessel ECS Horizon on ENT.
EDIT: Actually, to me, it looks like this book is called Chicago Gangs of the Twenties:
http://ent.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x20/horizon_307.jpg
Right... although it depends on one's definition of "official" (and how that relates to "canon").
I use "official continuity," "onscreen continuity" and "canon" interchangably. They all mean "that which has been said or shown in a live-action 'Star Trek' television series or film produced by Paramount."
CaptainHawk1
Commodore
This is my point. It's conjecture. I'm aware of PP and Sisko's model but there has been no on-screen reference that the two are the same and there is no on-screen mention that Sisko's model ever existed as an actual ship and not just the model on his desk.
-Shawn
-Shawn
Canon = The name "Daedalus class."
Canon = The U.S.S. Essex was this class.
Canon = A desktop model on Sisko's desk with the name "U.S.S. Horizon NCC-176."
Canon = Around the year 2153 or so, an Earth Cargo Vessel exists with the name "ECS Horizon." A former crewmember happens to own a book called "Chicago Gangs."
Canon = In the year 2168, a Federation Starfleet vessel named the U.S.S. Horizon made first contact with Sigma Iotia, leaving behind a book called "Chicago Mobs of the Twenties."
Official = The Daedalus class starship is the same design as the desktop model, and the Essex, (U.S.S.) Horizon, and Archon are members of these classes. (Star Trek Encyclopedia).
Until there's visual evidence to the contrary, there's no reason not to assume that the Encyclopedia is wrong. The mobs book is just a sight gag, not to be taken seriously (and it's highly unlikely that the Mayweather family cargo ship and the Federation Starfleet vessel Horizon are the same ship, for a multitude of reasons).
Canon = The U.S.S. Essex was this class.
Canon = A desktop model on Sisko's desk with the name "U.S.S. Horizon NCC-176."
Canon = Around the year 2153 or so, an Earth Cargo Vessel exists with the name "ECS Horizon." A former crewmember happens to own a book called "Chicago Gangs."
Canon = In the year 2168, a Federation Starfleet vessel named the U.S.S. Horizon made first contact with Sigma Iotia, leaving behind a book called "Chicago Mobs of the Twenties."
Official = The Daedalus class starship is the same design as the desktop model, and the Essex, (U.S.S.) Horizon, and Archon are members of these classes. (Star Trek Encyclopedia).
Until there's visual evidence to the contrary, there's no reason not to assume that the Encyclopedia is wrong. The mobs book is just a sight gag, not to be taken seriously (and it's highly unlikely that the Mayweather family cargo ship and the Federation Starfleet vessel Horizon are the same ship, for a multitude of reasons).
Which is, in fact, what I said.
The Chronology and Encyclopedia are created by folks who've worked on the shows for Pocket Books, a licensee. What appears in those books is no more official than what appears in Trek novels.