Super-Enhanced 525 line???
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http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/2769/star_trek_the_voyage_home_hd_movie_review/index.html
I would have thought that the fact I posted in the movies section was a bit of a clue.
Only ST2 has come from the original film. All the rest are enhanced ordinary DVD, from the 1999 DVD transfers.
I think it's a bit of a swizz to market them as High DEF?
I would have thought that the fact I posted in the movies section was a bit of a clue.
Only ST2 has come from the original film. All the rest are enhanced ordinary DVD, from the 1999 DVD transfers.
I think it's a bit of a swizz to market them as High DEF?
Although Paramount's choices and techniques can be questioned, the fact is that all the films are a substantial improvement over their DVD cousins, and are clearly "High Definition" transfers. I'm not quite following you, Cheapjack. Yes, the transfers are by no means perfect -- DNR, sharpening, crushed blacks, and so on -- but they are also, by far, the best these films have ever looked on any home video format, and they clearly display unparalleled detail over any and all previous releases. Reference quality? No. Still a nice display of what HD can do? Yes.
If they were taken from the film, there would be more detail, not just some computer algorithm's idea of what should be there. I don't think it's right to market them as HD, they're just enhanced ordinary DVD.
I'll still be buying them. They might never come out again, though the technology might become a hell of a lot cheaper.
I'll still be buying them. They might never come out again, though the technology might become a hell of a lot cheaper.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
Buying THESE things is a way of guaranteeing that Paramount will keep dishing out crap, knowing you'll buy it despite it being crap. To me, the DNR alone is enough to keep me from buying, because they've taken the filmlook out of the thing. If this keeps up, serious viewers are going to need to start recollecting film prints of movies instead of relying on homevid.
What the hell are you talking about? They *are* taken from the films. They're *not* just upscaled DVD-SD transfers, as you're incorrectly stating. There is a ton more detail -- real, authentic detail -- that no computer algorithm on Earth could simulate. The Blu-ray transfers may have been taken from heavily tinkered and not completely up-to-date HD transfers, but they were indeed taken from HD transfers, not lower-resolution masters.
They're taken from old transfers, yes, with the problems noted by Cryogenic above. However, the transfers have 1080 lines, p or i, not 525, so they are indeed "HD."
I agree that they are a bit disappointing. They're better than DVD, but not as good as they could be.
Doug
I agree that they are a bit disappointing. They're better than DVD, but not as good as they could be.
Doug
I thought they were absolutely fantastic pictures wise, i was blown away when i saw TMP, the TV show versions were like watching the show for the first time all over again.
Of course I'm no expert on pic/sound wise but they were a vast improvement over the DVD versions.
Of course I'm no expert on pic/sound wise but they were a vast improvement over the DVD versions.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
Brightness and edge sharpness increases only really work when you've got texture detail also increasing ... the blu-rays have the first, but not the second, so it is like looking at the movie through a bad split diopter ... the faces and ships are soft on the 'inside' and bright and crisp on the corners, due to the noise reduction/grain reduction crap.
I cant comment on the technical process but my eyes tell me the picture was a vast improvement over the DVD versions and they were sharp, colourful and fresh looking....i really enjoyed watching them.
The original series was a utter joy to watch, and again it was sharp colourful and vibrant, so much that I'm sitting here chomping at the bit for the second season to be released.
It was like watching them for the first time all over again.
The original series was a utter joy to watch, and again it was sharp colourful and vibrant, so much that I'm sitting here chomping at the bit for the second season to be released.
It was like watching them for the first time all over again.
In three days, you'll champ no more, my friend:
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-Trek-The-Original-Series-Season-2-Blu-ray-Review/6281/
Star Trek 1 & 2 were given 4 stars, for video quality, by Hidefdigest----moviies that are 30 & 27 years old----
3, 5 & 6 got 3 stars
These are numbers higher than many, many brand new releases of movies that were in the theater in the past few years to the present.
And some numbskull wants to call them '525 line upscales'
It's like wearing a sign that says, "I'm an ass."
They have NEVER looked better in ANY video format.
Did they go the extra mile and spend the extra money to make them as perfect as they possibly could? No, very few studios do ALL they could for catalog titles----especially ones that have been sold and sold and resold over many years and many formats and they know some folks aren't goning to buy them again even if the quality is a little higher.
Lastly, the reason for the 'not perfect' ratings was 'digital noise reduction' that is only really noticed on larger, very high quality HDTVs and most of the folks I know don't have $4000 50+ inch displays.
But the cleaness of the prints, the color correction, the sharpness were all great. Never looked better and more real.
3, 5 & 6 got 3 stars
These are numbers higher than many, many brand new releases of movies that were in the theater in the past few years to the present.
And some numbskull wants to call them '525 line upscales'
It's like wearing a sign that says, "I'm an ass."
They have NEVER looked better in ANY video format.
Did they go the extra mile and spend the extra money to make them as perfect as they possibly could? No, very few studios do ALL they could for catalog titles----especially ones that have been sold and sold and resold over many years and many formats and they know some folks aren't goning to buy them again even if the quality is a little higher.
Lastly, the reason for the 'not perfect' ratings was 'digital noise reduction' that is only really noticed on larger, very high quality HDTVs and most of the folks I know don't have $4000 50+ inch displays.
But the cleaness of the prints, the color correction, the sharpness were all great. Never looked better and more real.
I'd have to agree. "525 line upscaling" is a stretch but compared to what these discs could have been, the results are pathetic... does set the stage for all new transfers down the line though. Hopefully a future release will be worth more than a rent.
Transfers from the originals should be the default standard without question. I've seen Flipper reruns on Universal HD channel and you could swear that it was filmed just yesterday with the highest tech camera equipment we have nowadays.
This 'numbskull' thinks that they look like very clever fakes. Tweaktown and a few other reviewers agree. Enhanced, but not as good as if they were taken from film. It's a bit of a swizz, I mean, you could just stick your ordinary DVD in the player and upscale it, rather than fork out all that money.
The good thing to come out of all this is to imagine what they could do with all those Dr Who episodes from the 60's and 70's!
The good thing to come out of all this is to imagine what they could do with all those Dr Who episodes from the 60's and 70's!
You want to keep insisting that what they did in releasing the movies is the same as taking the standard DVDs and upscaling??
And because a few super-fanatics think unless a studio goes the extra mile on every Blu-ray release the product is not up to their standards is your reasoning?
Yes, complete 'numbskullery'
Worst thing is folks who are new to blu-ray might think you have a slight clue to what you're talking about.
4 star(and even 3) on a Blu-ray scale of 5 is not 'upscaling the old DVD'
Just plain stupid logic.
And because a few super-fanatics think unless a studio goes the extra mile on every Blu-ray release the product is not up to their standards is your reasoning?
Yes, complete 'numbskullery'
Worst thing is folks who are new to blu-ray might think you have a slight clue to what you're talking about.
4 star(and even 3) on a Blu-ray scale of 5 is not 'upscaling the old DVD'
Just plain stupid logic.
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