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Summer nuTrek novels pulled-TrekMovie.Com

I feel for the individual authors, but had no intention of reading any novels set in the new continuity (not that I actively dislike the new continuity- there is just so much good stuff in the relaunch continuities I don't have the time/money to split my focus) so this actually reads like good news to me.
 
^Where did you hear that? I thought they hadn't even written the script yet? That would be kind of weird, wouldn't it?

Lindelof on Trek
  • Lindelof on 2012 release notes "we would be hard pressed to get anything on screen for 2011, if that is the case we better get to writing right now"
  • The team has "reached consensus" on the elapsed (in universe) time between Star Trek and the sequel, but they will not reveal that detail now
  • Cites time setting of Bourne Ultimatum, which takes place party during the events of the previous film Bourne Identity as something he admires, noting "one of the things we like to do as story-tellers is drop you in the middle of something and the question you are asking yourself is ‘where am I in relation to the last time I left these guys? Could this be something that pre-dated some of the adventures they had in the first movie? Does it happen five years later? Is it happening two seconds later?’ We are not going to tell you"
http://trekmovie.com/2009/11/20/exc...d-lindelof-talk-star-trek-sequel-fringe-lost/
 
^Where did you hear that? I thought they hadn't even written the script yet? That would be kind of weird, wouldn't it?

Lindelof on Trek
  • Lindelof on 2012 release notes "we would be hard pressed to get anything on screen for 2011, if that is the case we better get to writing right now"
  • The team has "reached consensus" on the elapsed (in universe) time between Star Trek and the sequel, but they will not reveal that detail now
  • Cites time setting of Bourne Ultimatum, which takes place party during the events of the previous film Bourne Identity as something he admires, noting "one of the things we like to do as story-tellers is drop you in the middle of something and the question you are asking yourself is ‘where am I in relation to the last time I left these guys? Could this be something that pre-dated some of the adventures they had in the first movie? Does it happen five years later? Is it happening two seconds later?’ We are not going to tell you"
http://trekmovie.com/2009/11/20/exc...d-lindelof-talk-star-trek-sequel-fringe-lost/

I don't remember seeing that. Thanks a lot for posting the link :). Appreciate it :techman:.
 
I don't think Lindelof is saying that the film will actually take place during the events of the previous film -- he's just saying he approves of a storytelling technique that doesn't cleary specify the time setting.
 
I don't think Lindelof is saying that the film will actually take place during the events of the previous film -- he's just saying he approves of a storytelling technique that doesn't cleary specify the time setting.

Well, I agree it's not definitive, but he's leaving it up in the air, hence why it's a rumour. And that's almost exactly how the Bourne Ultimatum played out. Most of that movie took place during the events of the previous film. And I've heard opinions that the only significant time gap in Star Trek is during that part after the Narada's destruction and the end (if you don't count the pre-Enterprise bits). So, if you're going to fit an entire sequel somewhere, that's the likely place where you're going to put it.
 
I read a quote somewhere once that JJ was a fan of The Wizard of Oz. And even though he didn't say anything definite, I feel justified in spreading the rumor that in the next film, Kirk battles flying monkeys!!!
 
I read a quote somewhere once that JJ was a fan of The Wizard of Oz. And even though he didn't say anything definite, I feel justified in spreading the rumor that in the next film, Kirk battles flying monkeys!!!

Quit spreading misinformation! They're not flying monkeys. Kirk battles a pack of Mugatos in the sequel. They just happen to have wings in the JJverse.
 
I've heard rumors that the next film may take place between the end of the Narada's destruction and the final scene in the film. So maybe they can't come out with any books because they would all be happening after the next sequel and possibly conflicting with it.
I'm not really sure of the value of placing an entire story in that "gap," because you've lost the entire set-up that the film exists to provide. The film ends with the archetypal Star Trek set-up -- Kirk, Spock, McCoy, the Enterprise. In that little gap, Kirk's just a cadet, Spock's a dick, the Enterprise isn't anyone's ship.

And even if the entire film did take place prior to Kirk being assigned the Enterprise, that wouldn't necessarily preclude the four novels that were placed on indefinite hold, as they would still remain consistent with subsequent events -- namely, the end of Star Trek.

So, unless the new film takes place entirely prior to the end of Star Trek and it retcons Star Trek away, I'm not at all certain how this particular rumor would be at the root of placing the books on hold.
 
I've heard rumors that the next film may take place between the end of the Narada's destruction and the final scene in the film. So maybe they can't come out with any books because they would all be happening after the next sequel and possibly conflicting with it.
I'm not really sure of the value of placing an entire story in that "gap," because you've lost the entire set-up that the film exists to provide. The film ends with the archetypal Star Trek set-up -- Kirk, Spock, McCoy, the Enterprise. In that little gap, Kirk's just a cadet, Spock's a dick, the Enterprise isn't anyone's ship.

And even if the entire film did take place prior to Kirk being assigned the Enterprise, that wouldn't necessarily preclude the four novels that were placed on indefinite hold, as they would still remain consistent with subsequent events -- namely, the end of Star Trek.

So, unless the new film takes place entirely prior to the end of Star Trek and it retcons Star Trek away, I'm not at all certain how this particular rumor would be at the root of placing the books on hold.

Hey, I'm not saying I like it any more than you do. But I guess were not allowed to even talk about things like this around here without being mocked. :shifty:
 
I read a quote somewhere once that JJ was a fan of The Wizard of Oz. And even though he didn't say anything definite, I feel justified in spreading the rumor that in the next film, Kirk battles flying monkeys!!!

Quit spreading misinformation! They're not flying monkeys. Kirk battles a pack of Mugatos in the sequel. They just happen to have wings in the JJverse.
Great, another fucking split in the timeline...
 
Hey, I'm not saying I like it any more than you do. But I guess were not allowed to even talk about things like this around here without being mocked. :shifty:
I wasn't mocking, I promise. I was just trying to point out a logic problem, that's all.

That said, the blame for the cancellation (or indefinite hold, or whatever you want to call it) can in all likelihood be laid at Bad Robot's door. That a year ago they were open to the idea of original novels, now they're not, and they had Licensing pull the plug. That's my guess, and I wouldn't begin to theorize as to the motives.
 
Or possibly a Slings and Arrows omnibus?
That would get my vote. That and some kind of novel or anthology or what ever to fill in the gap in the DS9 relaunch.
Pocket will have to fill the summer gap with something they already have on hand and can get into the development pipeline quickly.

What I would do:

May: mass-market reprint of The Sky's The Limit
June: mass-market reprint of books 1-3 of Slings & Arrows
July: mass-market reprint of books 4-6 of Slings & Arrows
August: pull the Typhon Pact books up a month

You wouldn't really want to give up on mass-markets for a stretch of months. The bookstore chains would never forgive you.

Why the heavy TNG focus? Pocket's starting out the year with a heavy TOS focus, so shift gears a bit to another popular branch of the franchise.

So, what's on the shelf? Slings & Arrows, which was slated for trade somewhere down the road, can plug the hole in two mass-markets. And for the third, take the 20th-anniversary anthology and reprint that in mass-market. (There are going to be readers who passed on the trade because of the price point, so there's benefit to reprinting, even two years later.)

The other thing I'd consider, if Typhon Pact couldn't be pulled forward a month, would be a Best of Strange New Worlds collection for August. The grand prize and first prize winners from each volume, plus one or two others (like maybe Lawrence Schoen's Klingon language story).

No, this isn't ideal. Anthologies and reprints are going to sell less than an original novel. But this would staunch the bleeding that a gap of four months would produce.
 
^I'm hoping Slings & Arrows is collected in it's entirety under one cover like Mere Anarchy was last year.
 
Lindelof: "We are not going to tell you"

How is "We are not going to tell you" confirmation of your rumour that the new film takes place between the destruction of the Narada and Kirk's official promotion as Admiral Pike's "relief"?

As Christopher says, it's more of a confirmation that the scriptwriters like stories that drop you into the middle of an event.
 
And Paris, there's definitely value in that.

However, there's also value in having something published in mass-market during the summer, too. Pocket can't really let that go. If they do, they're going to do damage to the line in the long-run. Slings & Arrows is something that can use to plug the hole. CoE back into mass-market doesn't make any sense. There really aren't a lot of other options, except maybe the various anthologies getting mass-market treatment.
 
This is a bit surprising but not so at the same time. When these were announced I wasn't too excited about it and now we see that they're pulled and most likely because they want the movies to set up the universe. Pocket is going to have to do some re-releasing of books and if they do that, they should be books that were popular and most likely still in demand.
 
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