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Stuff that bands borrowed from other bands.

Green Day ripped off Chicago's 25 or 6 to 4 , just slowed it down.

We'll never know if Cobain actually did nick Boston's riff, he may have mentioned the simiarity to sort of admit what he did without actually copping to it,( who wants to get sued), or it could have been pure coincidence. Again, we'll never know.

David Lee Roth did his sword dance just after Jim Dandy used one on the BOA 84 tour.

Rick Neilson of Cheap Trick spits onstage to try & look cool, borrowed from Nuge. & throws his guitar way up high to side of the stage, borrowed from Gene Simmons.

Nikki Sixx wears the same clothes as Pete Way of UFO, & even plays same bass.

Crue may be top of the list for copystuff. Christian Death's debut album was titled Only Theater of Pain, ( 1981), & Motley's Theater of Pain came out in 83. Montrose's motorcycle riff, the spinning drum riser from ElP, & looks from NY Dolls, Kiss etc.


Here's a question, which band was 1st to use a spaceship as a stage design? ELO? Parliment? or Boston?
 
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Daedalus12 said:
Klein just wanted $$ from the hit song so it doesn't matter who in the Stones camp gets the authorship. If I recalled correctly after the 1997 lawsuit Oldham who did the orchestra re-arrangement popped back up and filed his own lawsuit against Klein for not paying part of the royalties back to him. :lol:
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Oh boy, I hope he won that :lol:

ETA: I don't think it could be termed a rearrangement though since the chord progression doesn't appear in the Stones track.


AND the main peaking violins that forms a crucial part of the hook was added by Ashcroft and is not part of the original sample.
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Sure he added his own riffs and other stuff including the lyrics but the main hook of that song for me was the 10 second sample.
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Sure, but I still say that that is not the crucial point, your subjective opinion as a listener does not change the fact that it doesn't represent the majority of the creative work that went into the track. The concern is why courts are willing to look at the act of creating music in such clinical terms. The fact that they consider a 10 second loop to be the crucial part of the work is a problem, it is also wrong.

Furthermore, the actual hook, the bit you hum, is a violin melody over the top of a 4 four chord progression. The 4 chord progression is the original sample, the bit you hum is Ashcroft's work. So he wrote the hook, not Oldham.

If you stripped the song back to just the sample, it would just be a pretty boring continuous 4 chord drone. 5 minutes of it would bore the hell out of you, and the most recognisable part of the song would be missing so I don't see how anyone can argue that it constitutes the most important part of the song.
 
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voggmo said:
Here's a question, which band was 1st to use a spaceship as a stage design? ELO? Parliment? or Boston?
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Pretty sure Sun Ra was using a spaceship well before any of them were (and was the direct inspiration for at least Parliament's fascination with space).
 
Sun Ra eh? interesting.

Both BOC & Priest use a Harley. Sammy Hagar had a red car onstage, I wanna say Camaro, or Firebird. A cool idea. I wonder if he was 1st to do that, use a car as a prop onstage. Plasmatics had a Cadillac they blew up.

& everyone knows the Clash ripped the Ramones, then went pop.

Black metal? Venom started that. Then Celtic Frost copied em with the grunting vocals, & the blender gargling vocals that a zillion bands that followed in their wake came from that.

Eddie Vedder has a few copycats too on the vocal topic.
 
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^I disagree about the Clash ripping the Ramones. They didn't rip them off anymore than any of the other punk groups inspired by them. And being an avid listener of the Clash I don't see an obvious ripoff but yes there was a Ramones inspiration.
 
Back in the early nineties the Gin Blossoms used to borrow musicians from the Dead Hot Workshop and vice vs. Usually it was 'cause someone was sick or had to go to work or something but still-they did it. All the time.
 
"^I disagree about the Clash ripping the Ramones. They didn't rip them off anymore than any of the other punk groups inspired by them."

Dee Dee Ramone entirely disagrees with you.


Many other punk bands also ripped em off. Several notable English punks went to see em & then overnight, there was The Damned, Clash, Pistols etc.
Having said that, many of these same bands did evolve their own image-style etc as time went on. Clash sold out their punk ethos & made pop. Having said that, I do like the bass line to London calling, & as well the one in Rock The Casbah, but it's amusing when people call them The only band that mattered & one member of U2 called em the 2nd most relevant band in rock after the Stones, when they were sellouts, & before that a Ramones knockoff. My 2 cents. More relevant than the Beatles or Zeppelin & The Who? Absurd.

They wrote a song titled I'm so sick of the USA, well I doubt they were sick of the money they made in their largest market, or the people who supported them here in "the Colonies" Great way to spit on their audience.




Check out the Ramones documentary for more info.



P.S. Neeka, that's how I feel, I'm not trying to pee in your cornflakes, yes I know they let people backstage & took a paycut on one of their albums, but they also said Zeppelin was boring, ( same can be said of them, their stageshow is blah, musicianship so so. The bands they hated the most VH, Scorpions etc were leagues better performers & did much longer tours, giving the fans much more). I always wondered why they didn't vent at the governments of the world & oil companies & such instead of taking potshots at the dinosaur bands, Floyd-Zepelin, & as well Iron maiden, Priest VH, what he termed hamburger bands. Again, my 2 cents.
 
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Green Day ripped off Chicago's 25 or 6 to 4 , just slowed it down.
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This made me sad to read. Being a big Green Day fan, I was always pissed thinking that Papa Roach stole that for "Last Resort" Now I see that Green Day stole it first. :(

Green Day's still the best band ever, though.
 
voggmo said:
"^I disagree about the Clash ripping the Ramones. They didn't rip them off anymore than any of the other punk groups inspired by them."

Dee Dee Ramone entirely disagrees with you.


Many other punk bands also ripped em off. Several notable English punks went to see em & then overnight, there was The Damned, Clash, Pistols etc.
Having said that, many of these same bands did evolve their own image-style etc as time went on. Clash sold out their punk ethos & made pop. Having said that, I do like the bass line to London calling, & as well the one in Rock The Casbah, but it's amusing when people call them The only band that mattered & one member of U2 called em the 2nd most relevant band in rock after the Stones, when they were sellouts, & before that a Ramones knockoff. My 2 cents. More relevant than the Beatles or Zeppelin & The Who? Absurd.

They wrote a song titled I'm so sick of the USA, well I doubt they were sick of the money they made in their largest market, or the people who supported them here in "the Colonies" Great way to spit on their audience.




Check out the Ramones documentary for more info.



P.S. Neeka, that's how I feel, I'm not trying to pee in your cornflakes, yes I know they let people backstage & took a paycut on one of their albums, but they also said Zeppelin was boring, ( same can be said of them, their stageshow is blah, musicianship so so. The bands they hated the most VH, Scorpions etc were leagues better performers & did much longer tours, giving the fans much more). I always wondered why they didn't vent at the governments of the world & oil companies & such instead of taking potshots at the dinosaur bands, Floyd-Zepelin, & as well Iron maiden, Priest VH, what he termed hamburger bands. Again, my 2 cents.
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Doesn't bother me that you dislike them, plenty of other people do as well. I live in the land of reggaeton I'm used to people not getting my music likes, plus I think VH and Scorpions are lame. No offense to anyone who likes 'em but I just don't.:)
 
Black metal? Venom started that. Then Celtic Frost copied em with the grunting vocals, & the blender gargling vocals that a zillion bands that followed in their wake came from that.
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Is that what that singing is? I cant stand that style of singing. I like screaming in rock music but not that type of low grunting/roaring that sounds like an elephant seal with a sore throat...
 
I entirely agree with you Melancholy. I do like Chronos of Venom though, he actually sang somewhat, the guys who copied him just gargle. Cannibal Corpse etc. Here's a good example featuring Max Calavera on vox.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM8PVz8gUfA


It's fine you don't like VH or Scorps Neeka. I don't particularly like Styx or Journey either, but I can admit they are decent players & songsmiths.

The Clash I don't mind musically, just their fecal attitude towards other bands, (not just them,Devo called VH The Evil Clowns in one of their videos), stupid. Where are they now? Devo that is. I like Devo a lot more than Clash, but the arrogant snotty attitudes seemed more an expression of inner lack of confidence than any intelligent musical view.
 
Cronos and Max Cavalera are both on Dave Grohl's Probot album. I recommend that to any fan of 80's metal.
 
voggmo said:
I entirely agree with you Melancholy. I do like Chronos of Venom though, he actually sang somewhat, the guys who copied him just gargle. Cannibal Corpse etc. Here's a good example featuring Max Calavera on vox.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM8PVz8gUfA


It's fine you don't like VH or Scorps Neeka. I don't particularly like Styx or Journey either, but I can admit they are decent players & songsmiths.

The Clash I don't mind musically, just their fecal attitude towards other bands, (not just them,Devo called VH The Evil Clowns in one of their videos), stupid. Where are they now? Devo that is. I like Devo a lot more than Clash, but the arrogant snotty attitudes seemed more an expression of inner lack of confidence than any intelligent musical view.
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It's cool, but I think a lot of bands do that arrogant bastard crap. That doesn't stop me from admitting when their music is awesome.
 
Pingfah said:
Furthermore, the actual hook, the bit you hum, is a violin melody over the top of a 4 four chord progression. The 4 chord progression is the original sample, the bit you hum is Ashcroft's work. So he wrote the hook, not Oldham.
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After listening to the Oldham song on YouTube carefully, it's pretty obvious that the percussion on Oldham's track is what inspired the violin hook. Without the Oldham track, the Verve song simply wouldn't exist, at all. The Verve are no more deserving of songwriting credit than Mariah Carey was for adding new lyrics and melody to "Genius of Love".
 
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