Spoilers Stranger Things - Season 5
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Yeah but if El died that makes one whooping plothole with the sonic weapons at the end and why multiple ones didn't effect here when its shown even 1 dan cripple her.
All Your 'Stranger Things' Series Finale Questions Answered By the Duffer Brothers [Exclusive]
Creators Matt and Ross Duffer address fan theories, "Byler," deleted scenes, and answer our biggest questions after Season 5.collider.com
Great interview with the Duffers and confirms what i've been saying - the alternate ending for El was put in place for people to have the option to decide for themselves which they prefer, nothing more and nothing less.
‘Stranger Things’ Finale Spoiler Interview: Duffer Brothers on Whether Eleven Is Alive, Debating Who Got to Kill [SPOILER] and Why the Rock From the Briefcase Is Key to the Spinoff
Matt and Ross Duffer explain everything about the 'Stranger Things' series finale, including Eleven's ambiguous fate, the final battle and that rock.
variety.com
It also doesn't explain Kali's final scene(s). She was clearly using her powers at the end. I think the Duffer's had originally planned the Iceland ending, and then thought like Mike's dialogue said, that it was too nice--then omitted it to include the choose your own ending scene.
EDIT: And the Duffer's play coyly in that interview. All they say is that Jane/El had to leave Hawkins at the end of the story for the rest of the group to live their lives and the story to end. They never say which ending was true. Furthermore, I think they imply that the way the show ended was done in the editing room after the filming was done and the actors themselves didn't really know how it was going to end up. (EDIT 2: I skimmed the article so if I'm missing some specific "smoking gun" quote then feel free to correct me.)
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I'm already making a 'genuine' post. Do I really need to add a comment? I don't think so.
I mean I get the idea of leaving it to the viewers to decide. But if you are going to do that you wont leave big evidence that supports one side of the argument. El simply shouldn't of been able to even stand upright in the wormholes mouth let alone use her powers to talk to mike. Impossible.
Does anyone on here by the way buy the El being dead?
I don't. The story just wasn't written or portrayed that way on screen. Mike pointed out all the evidence why the sisters are still alive, and it was shown that way in the episode. It wasn't some kind of alternative version to what we'd seen. I think the ending was an attempt to make the "real" ending ambiguous. In that article, it reads to me like the Duffers also agree with El still being alive.
I think 8 is dead. She was in the Wormhole and projecting El image though from a distance out of the range of the sonic weapons.
One thing I cant prove but suspect is that Hopper was in on it. Only reason El didn't tell mike the full truth is he would have been dumb enough to try and follow her ruining the plan as everyone of them would of been under surveillance from the US government. Hopper though would of known the stakes and could of been trusted.
i wonder if it will be based in the mid 90s or the 2000s
All Your 'Stranger Things' Series Finale Questions Answered By the Duffer Brothers [Exclusive]
Creators Matt and Ross Duffer address fan theories, "Byler," deleted scenes, and answer our biggest questions after Season 5.
Great interview with the Duffers and confirms what i've been saying - the alternate ending for El was put in place for people to have the option to decide for themselves which they prefer, nothing more and nothing less.
So they basically embraced the concept of Head Canon. El is live or dead, depending on what you want to believe.
Exactly.
And i find it interesting how some are arguing here for a definitive ending because of the sonic projectors and such, busting out detective skills but for me missing the point of it all, i.e. the given choice to everybody which end they believe. They believe El lives because she was able to be in the presence of the projectors while being unaffected, i choose to believe she's dead for character purposes.
While I still choose to believe the version of events where she makes it, I think there's enough doubt to make either possibility viable.
For one thing, we don't know how well those sonic things work across portals, and El (or her image) was still standing on the other side of the threshold. Secondly; those arrays are directional, and were all pointed inwards towards the base or the ramp where they expected her to be, not at the aperture itself where El would have actually been standing. Thirdly; if there's one thing we've consistently seen across all five seasons, is then when El is knocked back by some kind of challenge or impediment to her abilities; she always comes back even stronger. So it's plausible that she managed to tough it out and use her powers to say one last goodbye while standing at the bleeding edge of a disruptor field.
Again though; I still think she made it, but there's enough uncertainty there to give the mystery and the doubt some credence.
I just went back and rewatched. There's no evidence that Hopper knew as the first thing he does is look for El when the sonic weapons are activated. Also, we never see El get out of the truck in that scene. We know she is on the truck, but it is unclear when and how she avoids the military who are pretty thorough when they get everyone out.
The cool thing about fiction is that you can hold two "realities" at the same time. You don't actually have to answer in your head one way or the other. It's fun to debate though. Having gone through the ending again, I can see the hints that El has already made her decision prior to the group exiting the Upside Down so she probably somehow disembarked before the even passed through the gates.
I think she already has made her final decision way back when she last talked to Hopper, likely before that after Kali explained the situation and her plan.
I like this discussion about the chances of either scenario and i think this is exactly what the Duffers wanted post show. It's up to each one of us based on personality and desires to believe one version or the other. Some need their happy end ( as happy as it can be that her friends are in pain and grieving her "death" while she herself can never return or make contact), some accept her death as necessary to break the cycle, one last heroic act.
It's as Hopper said to Mike at the end - acceptance is key and the last step of the grieving process they all went through before picking up their lives again.
They will never forget her, they will always love her no matter which end is actually true and to me that's the most important part.
@Neroon is a Mod.So it's more than a suggestion.
BTW, just randomly reflecting about Dustin's speech. That whole stuff about uniting the students and throwing away the cliques like nerds/jocks/whatever.
Netflix uploaded a video titled something like 'for the nerds, freaks, and heroes and it made me think of Dustin's speech.
Did I miss that happening? Did it happen *after* the final battle and the military left? Cuz that really didn't seem like the high school HE was attending when the season started. He got his ass kicked pretty badly by multiple jocks.
Seemed like they just wanted to put in that kind of scene in a teen 80's movie where you see the cliques called out or a character 'overcomes it' and gives some kind of 'profound' public speech about them even though I don't think it really reflected the Hawkins high school experience we saw Dustin's character go through.
Netflix uploaded a video titled something like 'for the nerds, freaks, and heroes and it made me think of Dustin's speech.
Did I miss that happening? Did it happen *after* the final battle and the military left? Cuz that really didn't seem like the high school HE was attending when the season started. He got his ass kicked pretty badly by multiple jocks.
Seemed like they just wanted to put in that kind of scene in a teen 80's movie where you see the cliques called out or a character 'overcomes it' and gives some kind of 'profound' public speech about them even though I don't think it really reflected the Hawkins high school experience we saw Dustin's character go through.
Not at all a surprise. Here's the full quote from Ross:
DEADLINE: You said there’s a hint in the finale about the spinoff you guys are working on. Can you give any hints about what the hint might be?
ROSS: I know. We were just talking about this. I don’t know if I want to, but I will say, though, it’s not Hopper mentioning Montauk. There’s no Montauk spinoff. That was more of a wink to the fans, deep-cut fans that know that the show started as Montauk.
It’s obviously not Holly and the kids or anything like that. It’s something much smaller than that. We’ve said this before, the spinoff idea we have, it is early days, but it is an entirely new mythology. So, it is connected, and it is going to answer some questions that people have, and there’s some lingering questions that weren’t answered in the finale that will be answered in the spinoff. But at the end of the day, it’s got its own story and its own mythology.
I would watch the hell out of that.
Which is what they've been saying for at least a year and yet people keep going with ideas involving the Hawkins characters.
They already said they're involved with the development of the show but they're not showrunning it, but it will be on Netflix just as is the animated show.
Glad to see my guess was correct.
Agreed completely. I always love when fiction, whether it's television, cinema, or novel, leaves open-ended questions about characters facts and its up to readers and viewers to decide on the answer that best satisfies them.
