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Spoilers Stranger Things - Season 5

Also, while it would piss everyone off, an ending where it's discovered that somehow, Will has been stuck in an illusion woven by Vecna since Season 1 (and he never really escaped) is completely aligned with the story this season.

LOL--It was all a dream! FWIW, up until the end of episode 4, I was convinced that Will was being controlled by Henry and setting a trap for the characters.
 
I actually think, despite the purportedly high budget, a lot of this season looks worse than earlier. You can tell they have moved to The Vollume - and not only in the Upside Down, but also in scenes where it wasn't really needed, like the top of the communications tower with Jonathan and Steve.

Also, while it would piss everyone off, an ending where it's discovered that somehow, Will has been stuck in an illusion woven by Vecna since Season 1 (and he never really escaped) is completely aligned with the story this season.
Do they film in the Volume (Or a Volume like stage?) I know they mostly film in Georgia.
 
LOL--It was all a dream! FWIW, up until the end of episode 4, I was convinced that Will was being controlled by Henry and setting a trap for the characters.

Yeah, folks would hate it, for obvious reasons, but the end of Episode 4 absolutely had Matrix vibes to it, as if Will realized he was in control of the simulation.

Consider:
  • The season starts with a revisiting of the abduction of Will.
  • It's been established that everything in the Upside Down is frozen at the night of his abduction - as if the Upside Down didn't even exist until he entered it.
  • We now know via Max that Vecna can keep people hidden within simulations for a period of months to years.
  • The story focuses on a bunch of stuff Will would find very cool, and he and his best friends are the heroes!
Now, I don't think everything is just a dream of Will, given we see plenty of the show from POV's other than his. But some hybrid scenario could be completely possible. Maybe Vecna actually won at the end of Season 4, and everyone is stuck within his simulation now, and Will's awakening is the key to all of them getting free? Maybe Hawkins is real, as is Vecna, but most of the rest of it was spun out from his dreams being linked up to...whatever Vecna really is? There's a lot of possibilities here.
 
And I assume Dustin has been unable to communicate with his girlfriend and/or broke up with her?

Yeah...I cannot recall what happened to her.

3. So right now, we have at least 3 "superpowered" young people at play: 11, Will and Kali/8. And there seem to be some potential new ones: Max, Holly, possibly even the other kids that were taken? Wondering if there's gonna be some kinda of "superteam" that will factor into the finale (with maybe a reference to Battle of the Planets or Super friends?)

I hope that's not the case. It would be too fan-service-y to have another group of kids all becoming superpowered to join the two who were the true enhanced characters. At the end of it all, it would be more impactful if the final conflict is waged by a team-up of El and 8--who are uniquely tied to the origin of everything in this series, and were traumatized by the experimentation, so it would be poetic justice for the two to close the chapter they did not willingly write or add themselves to.

4. Anyone else worried that the fake out of Hopper with a bomb strapped to him has "Glenn" vibes from Walking Dead -- where we thought he was gonna die, but was a "fake out", but that the "real thing" will happen later...possibly at a time when we thought he was sfe, but isn't.?

The series already had its Hopper death fake-out with his S3 finale "death" and S4 return. Doing that yet again only to really kill him off would be anti-climactic because the trope would be overused. The difference with The Walking Dead's Glenn was that the fake-out only happened one time before Negan killed him. TWD did not have Glenn survive the dumpster, return, suffer/survive another "apparent" death, only to finally meet Lucille.

Also, while it would piss everyone off, an ending where it's discovered that somehow, Will has been stuck in an illusion woven by Vecna since Season 1 (and he never really escaped) is completely aligned with the story this season.

Some would be upset (especially knowing that any relationships / character growth seen in seasons 2 - forward never happened), but it would be an interesting way to close the series.
 
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Consider:
  • The season starts with a revisiting of the abduction of Will.
  • It's been established that everything in the Upside Down is frozen at the night of his abduction - as if the Upside Down didn't even exist until he entered it.
  • We now know via Max that Vecna can keep people hidden within simulations for a period of months to years.
  • The story focuses on a bunch of stuff Will would find very cool, and he and his best friends are the heroes!
Now, I don't think everything is just a dream of Will, given we see plenty of the show from POV's other than his. But some hybrid scenario could be completely possible. Maybe Vecna actually won at the end of Season 4, and everyone is stuck within his simulation now, and Will's awakening is the key to all of them getting free? Maybe Hawkins is real, as is Vecna, but most of the rest of it was spun out from his dreams being linked up to...whatever Vecna really is? There's a lot of possibilities here.

I will say this. The way concepts from A Wrinkle in Time have already been introduced in multiple parts of the story, I do think something involving that story will play a part in the resolution.
 
I hadn't noticed before just how much Maya Hawke looks like her mom. It stood out to me this time because I had just watched the new trailer for Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair, so her mom was still fairly fresh in my mind.
I find it a little funny that Linda Hamilton has gone from playing one of the all time greatest female action movie heroes, to now playing villain. Her last couple characters are the kind of people you'd expect to see someone like Sarah Connor fighting against.

lol lol what theres a new kill bill movie

and lol lol whats also nuts about robin and her mom

is the way how robin talks its like the way how her mom talks

i actually have seen linda hamilton play a villian on a tv show before it was when she was on the tv show resident alien
 
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lol lol what theres a new kill bill movie

and lol lol whats also nuts about robin and her mom

is the way how robin talks its like the way how her mom talks

i actually have seen linda hamilton play a villian on a tv show before it was when she was on the tv show resident alien
Not a new movie. Just a re-edit, stitching the two volumes together into one movie.
 
Man, i still cringe about the scene when they flamed one of the Demogorgons and since he was connected at the time Will feeling his body burn too. Schnapp played that brutally well.
Agreed. I felt his agony in that moment Schnapp hasn't had much to work with since season two outside of the coming out arc last season, so it was refreshing to see him in a more active role this season and I can't wait to see dig deeper into the role with these new powers.

How do they not suffer any legal repercussions from drugging and kidnapping the entire Turnbow family?
Legal repercussions?! That's where your mind went during that sequence? Certainly the group may face consequences for their actions but they wouldn't be facing them at that moment since only a matter of hours have passed since they kidnapped the Turnbow family. However, considering Derek's role helping them fight Henry, he'll probably convey to his family why all of that happened. Especially since everything is about to blow wide open publicly, I highly doubt there well be any legal repercussions (well, except for damages against their house). But, again, that's not really of importance here.

Is it the weekend? Are the boys just skipping school? I dunno, all sense of normalcy seems to have sapped out of the show.
:guffaw:

Are we even watching the same show? Normalcy has never existed.

My general point across all of these is that in earlier seasons, the interpersonal coming/of age conflicts (like Max getting introduced to the group in Season 2, or Lucas becoming a cool kid in Season 4) built slowly across the season. Here they just introduce a lot of conflict bombs, which they are defusing one by one, which makes it the opposite of dramatic tension.
:shrug:

You see "conflict bombs" while I see natural progression of character arcs as I already explained.

It's understandable, but it's boring, because it's a retread of earlier dynamics. Doesn't help that they're giving Jonathan jack shit to do (yet again). It's also worth noting that Nancy isn't really getting any scenes to speak of with either one of them alone, so it's not like you could really argue anything resembling a love triangle is going on right now.
Based on the footage from the trailers that didn't appear in volume 1, Nancy and Jonathan are about to share several significant moments together and seemingly alone.

And I disagree Jonathan hasn't had anything to do this season. He stepped in to fill Dustin's role during the crawl and has acted in a supporting capacity in the subsequent events. He's always worked in a supporting role (even when teaming up with Nancy in the first three seasons).

Yeah, but what did that stuff amount to after the first episode or two? Dustin's just surly and fighting with Steve, instead of vibing with him as a friend. The bullies have vanished. He's not interacting with his friends to any real degree.
Trauma has lasting ramifications. That has been underlying theme of this show since the very beginning. Will, Eleven, Hopper, Max. Just because the bullies are gone doesn't mean Dustin's pain and troubles are gone. Just look at the fact the keeps lying about being beaten up even when everyone knows he's dealing with something.

And they're both solved now - in fact, El and Hopper were right with each other before the end of the second episode. Again, my issue isn't really with the conflict, but how it was structured - as something that festered mid-season, and is then disposed of once it's time for big plot to happen.
I really don't know what to say at this point. Considering your responses with everything else, I don't think you seem to appreciate how dealing with trauma works. El, without her mother, Hopper, without his daughter, and they're both struggling to fill the gaps in each other's lives. It's not something that's easily resolved but an ongoing process. Especially considering El's unorthodox upbringing.

Loved the way Max showed up very unexpected. Holly's dreamland outfit was some crazy story book fashion. I'm glad she took a fire poker instead of a basket. And speaking of fashions, those poor 80's kids. I don't recall the fashions being that hideous, :lol:
I saw a review mention they were going for an Alice in Wonderland look with Holly and her memory world. It makes a little sense.
It also appears to mirror her DnD figure that Mike gave her, right down to the cloak when she heads into the woods.

She has truly become Heroic Holly.
I completely missed that she was dressed like her D&D figure but that makes more sense than my initial thought: Red Riding Hood. I imagine the latter was part of the deliberate misdirection about her mission through the woods with the viewers fearing Henry as the Big Bad Wolf.

There's probably some more interesting twists coming too, (Still wondering where Paul Reiser will surface)
I'm sad there hasn't been any official confirmation that Owens is returning but considering he was captured by Sullivan at the end of the season (and not simply returned to retirement), I expect he'll return before the end. I certainly hope so!

...there's likely also a tragedy or two pending. My money is on Steve now, with how the character dynamics are shaking out, & that he'd been intended as a short-lived character to begin with. If you want tears, you can find them there. He's got good friends now, & he's had a terrific journey from D-bag to unlikely hero. It'd gut millions.
I still think Steve is the obvious choice because of those reasons. My money is still on Nancy.

I will say that I'm a bit concerned for Netflix after this though. They've got nothing of this caliber popularity after this, and it might signal the beginning of a major slump in continued memberships. Even Apple TV has better looking stuff now. I bet that the huge wait for this alone has had people frustrated enough to want to dump them. Their flagship is passing into history very soon
Except Stranger Things isn't over. Yes, the original show is ending soon, but we have the animated anthology series coming next year as well as the long-anticipated spin-off which we recently got a big update on (I posted about it a few pages ago but I'll dig up the link for you if you want). Netflix is pretty excited about that spin-off so I things remain bright for them.

2. They have been in isolation for over a year now, right? So at least with Dustin , even though it seems strange to some viewers how he's gotten isolated.... the Heavy Spoilers Youtube channel put out this thought that made me think -- Dustin has been getting bullied all year by those who still think Eddie was the cause of the problem. If I remember correctly, just about everyone else, including "our gang" have seen Eddie as a weirdo, and kind of a jerk and selfish at times. Only Dustin has REALLY seen Eddie at his finest and self-sacrificial..... so he takes defense of Eddie's legacy super seriously -- much more than anyone else who at least knew the "real" Eddie. And I assume Dustin has been unable to communicate with his girlfriend and/or broke up with her? So he's feel extra-isolated. But I am sure will be resolved soon
Thank you! I'm glad someone else is seeing what I've been seeing in regards to Dustin's situation.

3. So right now, we have at least 3 "superpowered" young people at play: 11, Will and Kali/8. And there seem to be some potential new ones: Max, Holly, possibly even the other kids that were taken? Wondering if there's gonna be some kinda of "superteam" that will factor into the finale (with maybe a reference to Battle of the Planets or Super friends?)
That seems to be the direction their heading in. I would say only Holly and Max are in the position to also become superpowered while everyone else will stick to their wits and guns as before. I certainly don't want anyone else to get powered up.

4. Anyone else worried that the fake out of Hopper with a bomb strapped to him has "Glenn" vibes from Walking Dead -- where we thought he was gonna die, but was a "fake out", but that the "real thing" will happen later...possibly at a time when we thought he was sfe, but isn't.?
Yuuuup. I was terrified. I was struggling in that moment to recall if there was anymore footage of him from the trailers that we haven't seen. At the time, I couldn't think of anything but I rewatched them and he has at least one more scene (him reaction to giant energy wave in the sky coming from Hawkins Lab). That and that one curious bit of casting awhile back...

I can't recall the source but I remember there was a casting call for an actress to play Sarah who looks like the original actress. I haven't heard any further information on this but it's been sitting in the back of my head this whole time. I had been suspecting a Henry-induced vision to torture Hopper, but now that Kali is back in the mix, there's another possibility...

5. Lastly....maybe I wans't paying attention, but I didn't get as many nostalgic vibes as I did the previous seasons.. For example, Joyce in the first season, used a yellow long corded wall phone that I had growing up. Then when she moved to California, she had a cordless phone that for our household, was a big deal as it was new technology. (Being able to talk OUTSIDE my front door!). Haven't noticed anything like that so far.
I got a few, mostly from Derek's and Holly's rooms. I can't place the name of it but I recognized the Nintendo game Derek was playing. However, I didn't catch name on the the arcade game machine he had in his room but that was a cool touch. Goes to show how filthy rich his parents are. :lol:

Plus, there were a lot of great needle drops that fulfilled my nostalgia fix.

I'm not convinced Will is super-powered like Henry, Kali & Jane, & neither is Holly, Max, or any of the kids. Will seems to me to be benefitting from his link TO Vecna (like the link he's establishing to the other kids) and as such he has access to use Vecna's powers.

The other kids he's linked to might be able to do similarly, IF they escaped like Will did. Max & Holly seem to have slipped into some recess of Vecna's mind, which might be useful in dismantling his control over the other kids, or disrupting his powers in some way, that he's using in the upside-down, but it's still through their connection to Vecna's mind, which he established

Just my theory though
I suspect that Will's abilities are indeed limited to his connection to the Henry and the Demogorgons and I imagine whatever abilities Holly and Max might developed will be similarly limited due to their connection to him. I wouldn't be surprised if we have a moment where Henry uses Will, Holly, and/or Max against Eleven and Kali.

Do they film in the Volume (Or a Volume like stage?) I know they mostly film in Georgia.
They did so some Volume work for the car sequences (as seen in the behind-the-scenes videos) but the bulk of their filming was done on location.
 
Look, when it comes to supporting a political party, yes, they can voice their opinions. But when it comes to war, some people say it's genocide, others say they're terrorists. Speaking on this subject will only lead to unnecessary backlash.
ENOUGH! Stick to the topic or expect a trolling warning.
 
How do they not suffer any legal repercussions from drugging and kidnapping the entire Turnbow family?
The town's sheriff is otherwise occupied, & I don't even know WTF has become of the rest of the Hawkins PD... it seems proper functioning local law enforcement is a little caddywampus right now, what with being overrun by secret military occupation
 
The town's sheriff is otherwise occupied, & I don't even know WTF has become of the rest of the Hawkins PD... it seems proper functioning local law enforcement is a little caddywampus right now, what with being overrun by secret military occupation
I'm a bit bummed out we haven't seen Powell and Callahan yet, even if there hasn't been any direct need for their characters yet. They've been in every season so far and I hope we get to see them one more time before the end. Hell, they do even know Hopper is alive?

In fact, that was one of my few issues with volume 1. We don't know what Hopper's status is right now. Is he also in hiding with Eleven as a person non grata? If not, does Hawkins knows he's alive and if so, do they know how he's magically alive (remember, he supposedly died in the Starcourt fire as a hero)?
 
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The town's sheriff is otherwise occupied, & I don't even know WTF has become of the rest of the Hawkins PD... it seems proper functioning local law enforcement is a little caddywampus right now, what with being overrun by secret military occupation

Likely Hawkins is under martial law meaning the military calls the shots and has relegated the PD to writing parking tickets and directing traffic. I figure they made up a bogus public story of some natural and ongoing natural desaster making it necessary to wall off the town and keep the rest of the inhabitants there because they may have been exposed to some mumbojumbo made up disease.

The conspiracy theorists outside are having the time of their lives right now :lol:
 
I actually think, despite the purportedly high budget, a lot of this season looks worse than earlier. You can tell they have moved to The Volume - and not only in the Upside Down, but also in scenes where it wasn't really needed, like the top of the communications tower with Jonathan and Steve.
I don't know about the Upside Down, but they showed them filming that scene in the behind the scenes video of Youtube, and they filmed with a blue screen outside.
In fact, that was one of my few issues with volume 1. We don't know what Hopper's status is right now. Is he also in hiding with Eleven as a person non grata? If not, does Hawkins knows he's alive and if so, do they know how he's magically alive (remember, he supposedly died in the Starcourt fire as a hero)?
He's been in hiding too, he got pissed at El for not using the tunnels that they had both been using to get around.
 
I'm a bit bummed out we haven't seen Powell and Callahan yet, even if there hasn't been any direct need for their characters yet. They've been in every season so far and I hope we get to see them one more time before the end. Hell, they do even know Hopper is alive?

In fact, that was one of my few issues with volume 1. We don't know what Hopper's status is right now. Is he also in hiding with Eleven as a person non grata? If not, does Hawkins knows he's alive and if so, do they know how he's magically alive (remember, he supposedly died in the Starcourt fire as a hero)?
I think it's a safe bet that everyone still thinks he's dead, and he's been living underground with Eleven ever since the military rolled into town. He specifically says "We don't drive." which seems fairly definite.

As for whether his former colleagues have been clued in or not; I think it could go either way, we'll just have to wait and see.
 
He's been in hiding too, he got pissed at El for not using the tunnels that they had both been using to get around.
I think it's a safe bet that everyone still thinks he's dead, and he's been living underground with Eleven ever since the military rolled into town. He specifically says "We don't drive." which seems fairly definite.
Yeah, that's true. I had been viewing it as Hopper being protective of Eleven's hiding but I wasn't sure if he meant for himself, too, but I did forget about the "We don't drive" line.

As for whether his former colleagues have been clued in or not; I think it could go either way, we'll just have to wait and see.
If Hopper is hiding, too (as it appears to be), then there isn't really any reason for them to know. Hopefully we get to see them finding out and doesn't get brushed aside during the (potential) victory celebrations.
 
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