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Spoilers Stranger Things - Season 5

There are people boycotting this show on Twitter because of Noah Schnapp.

if its because that william got powers now

people canceling him because of that is the dummiest thing

william got his powers because of henry aka vecna aka one aka mr whatsit but was fullan woken when he thought of the robin monolog via flashback to the 70s when he was a kid with mike
 
That actually makes a lot of sense. You might be onto something there, especially with Kali's return and Will's powering up (and potentially Max and Holly, too).


That's so damn awesome. I love that they did that.

i can imagine max with powers and saves lucus butt from the demogorgans doing its super powers moves

i mean lucus could kill them but just not when its using there super powers moves
 
if its because that william got powers now

people canceling him because of that is the dummiest thing

william got his powers because of henry aka vecna aka one aka mr whatsit but was fullan woken when he thought of the robin monolog via flashback to the 70s when he was a kid with mike
No, because it is Zionist, there is a group that boycotts every project that includes Zionists.
 
People are dumb, see Men in Black for an explanation why ;)
Look, I don't know what you think about these kinds of issues. I don't care. But while what they're doing makes sense to a certain extent, what pisses me off is that people are forcing them to do it. Speaking specifically about actors, I don't think any actor or singer should be able to voice their opinions on these kinds of issues. Otherwise, people's perspectives turn from admiration to hatred.
 
Look, I don't know what you think about these kinds of issues. I don't care. But while what they're doing makes sense to a certain extent, what pisses me off is that people are forcing them to do it. Speaking specifically about actors, I don't think any actor or singer should be able to voice their opinions on these kinds of issues. Otherwise, people's perspectives turn from admiration to hatred.

I'm not sure what you're saying but the second part i completely disagree. Why do you exclude actors and singers?

Do you think they're dumb and can't follow news and form their own opinions?

Or do you think they shouldn't pipe in on hot topics because it may alienate part of their fan base? If it's this i can at least understand it but it's their own risk if they want to participate in a hot button discussion and potentially hurt their careers however their opinion is as valid as any person, just because they are working in entertainment doesn't mean they are less intelligent or informed ( Natalie Portman was at Harvard for example).
 
I'm not sure what you're saying but the second part i completely disagree. Why do you exclude actors and singers?
I'm trying to say I don't care what you think about Israel.


Or do you think they shouldn't pipe in on hot topics because it may alienate part of their fan base? If it's this i can at least understand it but it's their own risk if they want to participate in a hot button discussion and potentially hurt their careers however their opinion is as valid as any person, just because they are working in entertainment doesn't mean they are less intelligent or informed ( Natalie Portman was at Harvard for example).
The extent to which a celebrity voices a career-damaging opinion on a controversial issue depends on which side they stand on and how they voice it. For example, Melissa Barrera, star of Scream 5 and 6, was fired from the Scream series for directly targeting Israeli and American media in her social media posts and was unable to work for 10 months. Similarly, co-star Jenna Ortega, despite supporting Palestine, never mentioned Israel, American media, or Trump in any of her speeches, resulting in no sanctions. On the other hand, Zionist celebrities like Noah Schnapp are met with hatred from those who admire them and their shows, and are the reason for boycotts of every project they appear in. I don't think speaking out on either side of this issue makes much sense for celebrities.
 
I'm trying to say I don't care what you think about Israel.



The extent to which a celebrity voices a career-damaging opinion on a controversial issue depends on which side they stand on and how they voice it. For example, Melissa Barrera, star of Scream 5 and 6, was fired from the Scream series for directly targeting Israeli and American media in her social media posts and was unable to work for 10 months. Similarly, co-star Jenna Ortega, despite supporting Palestine, never mentioned Israel, American media, or Trump in any of her speeches, resulting in no sanctions. On the other hand, Zionist celebrities like Noah Schnapp are met with hatred from those who admire them and their shows, and are the reason for boycotts of every project they appear in. I don't think speaking out on either side of this issue makes much sense for celebrities.

Ok dude, calm down. I don't want to turn this into a politics slugfest and you don't know anything about what i think of Israel.

I just don't dismiss the opinions of celebrities just because they are famous. They are not my monkey to jump as i please and only do what i want them to do, that's all.
 
Ok dude, calm down. I don't want to turn this into a politics slugfest and you don't know anything about what i think of Israel.

I just don't dismiss the opinions of celebrities just because they are famous. They are not my monkey to jump as i please and only do what i want them to do, that's all.
I did not write it with the intention of attacking.
 
They are not my monkey to jump as i please
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I'm trying to say I don't care what you think about Israel.



The extent to which a celebrity voices a career-damaging opinion on a controversial issue depends on which side they stand on and how they voice it. For example, Melissa Barrera, star of Scream 5 and 6, was fired from the Scream series for directly targeting Israeli and American media in her social media posts and was unable to work for 10 months. Similarly, co-star Jenna Ortega, despite supporting Palestine, never mentioned Israel, American media, or Trump in any of her speeches, resulting in no sanctions. On the other hand, Zionist celebrities like Noah Schnapp are met with hatred from those who admire them and their shows, and are the reason for boycotts of every project they appear in. I don't think speaking out on either side of this issue makes much sense for celebrities.
Depends on the country. USA is almost unique in regards to support for Israel in western or anglophone countries. Obviously it also holds so much power for an actor in those countries so affects other countries.

In Ireland it's accepted that almost everyone is pro Palestine to the point I forget such a thing as a pro Israeli celebrity exists until I come on this site.

Personally I am generally oblivious to anything regarding an actors personal life so with rare exception I won't avoid any art due to a creators personal life.
 
However i was wondering why he didn't pack up Will or kill him if he didn't need him, it just seemed strange for Vecna to leave this loose end

Will might be his ticking time bomb to turn on everyone else when the time is right. Perhaps Will--as the ticking time bomb--might attempt to turn the tables on Vecna at the last moment of some crisis, perhaps sacrificing himself to end every threat.

How is Murray getting the money to equip them with all this shit?

Murray was always sold as someone who has deeper connections to / involvement with the shady-to-criminal side of life, so through said shady life he's able to obtain whatever he can by means not practiced by the normal world (IOW, he's not just running around stealing items). The others seem to know this, hence their belief in his ability to procure whatever odd things they request...within reasonable limits.

How do they not suffer any legal repercussions from drugging and kidnapping the entire Turnbow family? I think that was the point where I basically lost any suspension of disbelief here.

Legal repercussions from...? The military? They do not appear to be concerned with random domestic issues beyond that directly tied to the Upside Down and its impact, and local law enforcement seems to be pushed into the background / unaware of much in that town.

Are the boys just skipping school? I dunno, all sense of normalcy seems to have sapped out of the show.

I assumed they ditched school, which was and remains a common thing for teenagers to do.


My general point across all of these is that in earlier seasons, the interpersonal coming/of age conflicts (like Max getting introduced to the group in Season 2, or Lucas becoming a cool kid in Season 4) built slowly across the season. Here they just introduce a lot of conflict bombs, which they are defusing one by one, which makes it the opposite of dramatic tension. [/quote]

With S5 being the end of the road, the series has to speed up everything toward the final conflict. Its not the most creatively satisfying way of handling things, but finality of it all leaves little room for the kind of character development seen in earlier seasons. Many "ultimate conflict" TV shows and movies end up written that way.


It's also worth noting that Nancy isn't really getting any scenes to speak of with either one of them alone, so it's not like you could really argue anything resembling a love triangle is going on right now.

She does not need to be, since S4's established Nancy warming up to Steve / complimenting him to Jonathan. In this season, she freezes as Steve brushes against her hand--with Jonathan standing on her left side, which was a fairly undeniable way of indicating that Nancy is not outright rejecting Steve's type of presence or reestablishing a comfort zone around her. I cite the Nancy/Robin scene again, where she (Nancy) is speechless about Robin's "neanderthal" observation; she could have been written to shoot down the implications of Robin's comment by affirming her relationship to/love for Jonathan, but that's not happening because Nancy is somewhat conflicted, hence her being in a soft triangle.

Yeah, but what did that stuff amount to after the first episode or two? Dustin's just surly and fighting with Steve, instead of vibing with him as a friend.

Yes, his resentment of Steve likely stems from the fact Steve's post S3 / pre S4 life had him living a life not closely associated with Dustin, so the latter latched on to Eddie as his new older brother figure. Once Eddie died, Dustin appears to lash out at Steve for the "crime" of moving on / not being around as much in Dustin's life in that aforementioned post S3/pre S4 period. At the moment, Steve seems to be aware of this,but is being mature/kind enough to avoid confronting Dustin about his suspicions.
 
Speaking specifically about actors, I don't think any actor or singer should be able to voice their opinions on these kinds of issues. Otherwise, people's perspectives turn from admiration to hatred.
I've gotta disagree with this, no matter who they are everybody should have to right to voice their opinion on any issue. Once you start limiting anybody's speech for any reason just tends to get the ball rolling and before know it nobody is allowed to say anything.
And if somebody wants to say something stupid and get themselves in trouble, that's their own problem.
 
Legal repercussions from...? The military? They do not appear to be concerned with random domestic issues beyond that directly tied to the Upside Down and its impact, and local law enforcement seems to be pushed into the background / unaware of much in that town.

Also it just happened. The entire 4 epsidoes happen in 2-3 days and the abdction happened the night before the Demo attack on the base. I understand that it might bother some people that shows often leave such loose ends but when you are doing a show finale such things sometimes intentionally fall through the cracks because it would just derail the main plot to tie up every little thing.

With S5 being the end of the road, the series has to speed up everything toward the final conflict. Its not the most creatively satisfying way of handling things, but finality of it all leaves little room for the kind of character development seen in earlier seasons. Many "ultimate conflict" TV shows and movies end up written that way.

Yes. It's pedal to the metal time, main character development is done. If you don't know these characters and what they're about you haven't been paying attention after 4 seasons. It's now emotional payoff time when everything comes to a boil, conflicts come up and are resolved (or not) but nobody is changing the basis of their character anymore. And while the plot is moving along at speed they still find time for little character moment, which makes the show so great for me because it balances them so well with the larger story.

Yes, his resentment of Steve likely stems from the fact Steve's post S3 / pre S4 life had him living a life not closely associated with Dustin, so the latter latched on to Eddie as his new older brother figure. Once Eddie died, Dustin appears to lash out at Steve for the "crime" of moving on / not being around as much in Dustin's life in that aforementioned post S3/pre S4 period. At the moment, Steve seems to be aware of this,but is being mature/kind enough to avoid confronting Dustin about his suspicions.

Maybe but Dustin is besides himself due to Eddie's death and the town not truly knowing him. He is not processing his grief in a healthy way and is lashing out at everyone, even if they're trying to help. Steve setting his head straight may not have been the choice of a proper therapist but it seemed to work.
 
I've gotta disagree with this, no matter who they are everybody should have to right to voice their opinion on any issue. Once you start limiting anybody's speech for any reason just tends to get the ball rolling and before know it nobody is allowed to say anything.
And if somebody wants to say something stupid and get themselves in trouble, that's their own problem.
Look, when it comes to supporting a political party, yes, they can voice their opinions. But when it comes to war, some people say it's genocide, others say they're terrorists. Speaking on this subject will only lead to unnecessary backlash.
 
And that has no effect on us, so we don't deserve to have a say in whether or not they can say it. If they want to say something controversial, that's entirely up to them, and it's up to them to deal with the consequences.
Because it might cause unnecessary backlash is easily one of the absolute worst reasons to limit free speech, because literally anything that anyone says could cause "unnecessary backlash". Hell I could say something as innocent as yellow is my favorite color, and if enough people who hate yellow saw it, that could cause "unnecessary backlash".
The problem is, you start limiting what people can say about a big controversy, then that just makes it easier to limit what people can say about less controversial topics, and then before you know it no one can say anything about anything.
I'm more than happy to let other people say things I don't like or don't agree with, if it means I can also continue to express my own opinions that other people might not like or agree with.
And we're getting way off topic so this is the last thing I'm saying on this topic, and don't bother trying to private message me about this, because I won't respond.
 
Look, when it comes to supporting a political party, yes, they can voice their opinions. But when it comes to war, some people say it's genocide, others say they're terrorists. Speaking on this subject will only lead to unnecessary backlash.
And yet you brought the whole "Zionist" into this thread. And accused half of the cast of being "Zionists."
 
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