Damn it, Spock! I told you about that!
Can't speak for the other poster, but calling someone "the woman" can come across as demeaning depending on the context. I can certainly understand their perspective.
Spoilers Strange New Worlds Episode 7 - Those Old Scientists
- Thread starter tomalak301
- Start date
Using their tone in person, sure. Just like women can turn “men” into a derogatory word with a roll of their eyes.
In this case, you had two people come through that time portal, a man and a woman. Referring to the woman as the woman is merely the most logical and efficient descriptor if you don’t remember the character’s name right then.
Hyper-aggressive Gorn that reproduce by spitting would never become space-faring. It would have been better to stick with lizard people in shiny metallic vests.
I can't find a contradiction based on a sample size of one.
I agree. I simply stated I saw the other poster's point of view.
two?I can't find a contradiction based on a sample size of one.
I don't count ENT because MU.
Damn. I was wrong. "Woman" is BAD you say?
No no no no no. The "breaking canon" is not that the Gorn no longer look like Ted Cassidy in a lizard suit. (YES I know he wasn't in the suit! This is NOT my first rodeo. I've BEEN to Vasquez Rocks. For NEARLY HALF AN HOUR!)
The breaking of canon is Kirk's befuddlement at "something called a Gorn". From what we've seen so far (and who knows what's coming next) the very name "Gorn" should have produced a reaction more like "HOLY Q - er, HOLY TRELANE! That's the thing that nearly killed SAM!" Or even "Hey! Gorn! Those buggers are always sneak attacking human bases and outposts. Doesn't that just figure!"
For all we know Ted Cassidy In a Suit was some misshapen defective Gorn that would fit perfectly in line with the SNW Gorn life cycle. Totally fine.
And I don't even care about the breaking canon bit. It's just annoying when there are people (some of them even WOMEN*) who say "Oh no, it all still lines up. It's fine." For one thing, if it all lined up we wouldn't have the writers telling us "Story is more important than canon."
Hey, isn't it cool that Orions have science vessels?
(* The reference to "women" here is in a purely satirical context. Star Trek has a diverse fan base with obsessive nutters of all races and sexes.)
No no no no no. The "breaking canon" is not that the Gorn no longer look like Ted Cassidy in a lizard suit. (YES I know he wasn't in the suit! This is NOT my first rodeo. I've BEEN to Vasquez Rocks. For NEARLY HALF AN HOUR!)
The breaking of canon is Kirk's befuddlement at "something called a Gorn". From what we've seen so far (and who knows what's coming next) the very name "Gorn" should have produced a reaction more like "HOLY Q - er, HOLY TRELANE! That's the thing that nearly killed SAM!" Or even "Hey! Gorn! Those buggers are always sneak attacking human bases and outposts. Doesn't that just figure!"
For all we know Ted Cassidy In a Suit was some misshapen defective Gorn that would fit perfectly in line with the SNW Gorn life cycle. Totally fine.
And I don't even care about the breaking canon bit. It's just annoying when there are people (some of them even WOMEN*) who say "Oh no, it all still lines up. It's fine." For one thing, if it all lined up we wouldn't have the writers telling us "Story is more important than canon."
Hey, isn't it cool that Orions have science vessels?
(* The reference to "women" here is in a purely satirical context. Star Trek has a diverse fan base with obsessive nutters of all races and sexes.)
Yes it is! And it looked cool!
Ah, I get what you're saying! I am curious if SNW will ever address this (since we have a Kirk) or just ignore it. I'm looking forward to hitting Arena in my TOS re-watch because I recognize it's been ages and my memory (never great for anything other than song lyrics and quoting movies I've seen more than 100 times) ain't what it used to be. (Yes, I read the transcript. Still, I prefer to see it again to judge fully.)
They're not all Pirates - Tendi
Why do you think Boimler said, "also, I'm a man"? It seemed like a strange thing to reject being called a kid by a clearly older person. Perhaps when Brad was at the Academy and was taught by Pelia, she ribbed him about being a kid, and he instinctually said that when preuniting with her and her saying her classic line to him, and thus gives her the idea to bug it with him when she meets him a century later. I love causality loops.
People fear what they don’t understand.
Okay, Boomer.
Very true. And the worse part is that if they had called these things something else (I dunno, treknomorphs maybe?) nobody would have batted an eyelid. Then being Gorn was totally unnecessary.
It is! That was a great use of the orions, and also I loved they built the ship to recall the one from tos.
You can't call "the new Gorn", you have to call them the green alien that came after the original green alien.
You're reaching too far. It's just a very Boimler tick. He's a very insecure person. Unlike his transporter clone.