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Stormtrooper Armor In Star Wars Movies. Are Changes Necessary?

Maybe the Stormtrooper's "armor" is basically just for looks, if their primary duty is intimidating mostly unarmed civilians then they would just need to look impressive and menacing.

The Emperor might not of wanted the troops to be effective shots after he establish a large level of political control over the former republic, paranoid politicians can be scared of their own militaries.

:)
 
You also have to expect that the creative team for a new movie will want to do something new; even in the OT, though they kept the original troopers throughout, they also added snowtroopers, ATAT drivers, scout troopers etc.

In-universe, it doesn't seem like a big deal. A US infantryman in Vietnam looks pretty different from one in Gulf War I 20 years later, and from there to Afghanistan 20 years after that.
 
Maybe the Stormtrooper's "armor" is basically just for looks, if their primary duty is intimidating mostly unarmed civilians then they would just need to look impressive and menacing.

The Emperor might not of wanted the troops to be effective shots after he establish a large level of political control over the former republic, paranoid politicians can be scared of their own militaries.

:)
I had the same thought. The Emperor doesn't strike me as the type who would be overly concerned with his soldier's well being.
 
Thinking in terms of personal armor vs weapons, even in the real world, ballistic armor only offers so much protection against current weapons. Police body armor may offer protection against a 9mm handgun or SMG as long as it's ball ammo, and perhaps even a 12 gauge shotgun. ... but against something like a .44 Magum or a .50 Desert Eagle, I'd say the chances are slim against soldier/police officer survival.

Similarly in Star Wars, stormtrooper armor might offer protection against slug throwers (projectile based firearms), and lower energy blasters that might be found in civilian hands. But against a weapon like Han Solo's DL-44 heavy blaster pistol, or a Rebel blaster, or an E-11 blaster rifle.... changes aren't so good for the armor wearer.

Just my take on it. My info on real-world ballistic protection might be outdated. Also, armor effectivenes in the Star Wars universe is only as effective as the story will allow. ...so in Return of the Jedi, stormtrooper armor seems to have been NERFed. :)
 
Ballistic armor and a helmet doesn't protect you from being beaten with a bat repeatedly.
 
I wouldn't want to go up against five dudes that are four foot tall swinging stone hatchets no matter how fuzzy they are. Especially if they manage to catch me by surprise while I'm trying to shoot some tall guys from cover.
 
Well, no. But the armour probably shouldn't be shown as fatally ineffective 100% of the time.

Although maybe you could just say that about troopers in general.

I'm not up to date on all the gossip about the new movie (trying to avoid spoilers), but what state is the Empire meant to be in by the time of the film? Is it still the governing body of the Galaxy, or is it like it was for a time in EU where it's reduced in power and on more equal footing with the Rebels/New Republic? A reduction in resources and support would lead to changes.
 
As far as I know, we don't have the information, yet.

There is a First Order (Imperial based tech) and a Resistance (Rebel Alliance based tech). We don't know if there are any other factions. We know (at at least the report suggests) that the New Republic did exist not long after the Battle of Endor as the notes Star Wars: Battlefront's first DLC "The Battle of Jakku" lists the New Republic fighting s group of remaining Imperial forces on the planet of Jakku (the planet seen in the two teasers for The Force Awakens with all the wrecked ship in the surface). That is a year or so after the Battle of Endor (maybe. That doesn't come out until the first week of December).
 
Oh, ok. I'm not as behind as I thought.

Never thought we'd get another Battlefront. Maybe one day we'll get a wrap-up for the ending of The Force Unleashed...though Im not holding my breath.
 
Since the average storm trooper couldn't hit a barn door from ten paces, is it possible that the imperial forces predominantly recruit singers, out of work actors and fashion models for that job

And if so, those guys might have a lot of creative ideas relating to the uniform and such. I can definitely picture them bringing it up with Vader during lunch breaks on the Death Star
 
Since the average storm trooper couldn't hit a barn door from ten paces, is it possible that the imperial forces predominantly recruit singers, out of work actors and fashion models for that job

And if so, those guys might have a lot of creative ideas relating to the uniform and such. I can definitely picture them bringing it up with Vader during lunch breaks on the Death Star

:lol:

Okay, that made me chuckle.
 
With regards to the stormtroopers' ability to shoot, the ones on the Death Star were 1)supposed to let them get away so Tarkin could follow the tracking beacon to the Rebel base and 2)probably aren't the best troops in the Empire They're stationed on a planet-destroying superweapon, they probably were not intended to be deployed often.

The stormtroopers did a lot of damage at the Battle of Hoth, and we probably didn't seen the full effect they had on the Ewoks, because seeing too many cute little teddy bears get brutally murdered would have been tramautizing.
 
With regards to the stormtroopers' ability to shoot, the ones on the Death Star were 1)supposed to let them get away so Tarkin could follow the tracking beacon to the Rebel base and 2)probably aren't the best troops in the Empire They're stationed on a planet-destroying superweapon, they probably were not intended to be deployed often.

The stormtroopers did a lot of damage at the Battle of Hoth, and we probably didn't seen the full effect they had on the Ewoks, because seeing too many cute little teddy bears get brutally murdered would have been tramautizing.
They at least slaughtered everyone but Leia on the blockade runner in A New Hope. After that we mainly see they shooting at people they want to escape and Luke in ESB, who is wanted alive by both Vader and the Emperor. I'm pretty sure that allowing the Rebels to get near the shield generator on Endor was part of the Emperor's poorly thought out plan too. So they might have been not trying to hit them then as well.
 
Yes, with the passage of time the STAR WARS Technology and uniforms will change just like real life.
I love the production designs established in the original SW trilogy and what I see the new SW7:TFA looks great.
 
The Jaffa armies from Stargate SG-1 offer a similar conundrum, but one whose explanation can be applied here. The Jaffa were subjugators and the muscle behind an institutionalized society of worship for their Goa'uld masters, which began with the use of superior technology against against bronze age weapons and armor. They never fought wars against non-Jaffa armies or real organized military forces, and when they did (re: the Asgard, other advanced races, etc.), they generally were on the losing end as the opponents were advanced to the point that they didn't HAVE to fight them openly. In the case of the Jaffa, their only really measurable foe was each other when a System Lord went to war against another one, putting them on equal terms more or less. It's no surprise then that all their big fancy armor and energy weapons meant to intimidate and terrorize the backwards god-fearing masses, ended up being useless against Earth's bullets, but more importantly the regimented training and battle tactics of the USAF and Marines.

For the Empire, at least by the point of the OT, it was the same thing. There was no real enemy to fight, and there was up to two decades of time where the job of a trooper was to subjugate and terrorize rather than fight in any military fashion ("Rebels" events nonwithstanding). Stuff like OT stormtrooper armor may have been cheaper to turn out for the disposable soldiers, and such things as actual resistance to weapons fire or peripheral vision taking a back seat to the fear factor of a battalion of walking iPods advancing on the average backwater planet bumpkin, and having the sheer numbers around to pull off what you need to do. Enter the Rebel Alliance, who are making a stand with a mishmash of weapons technologically, but the motivation to get organized into a fighting force that the Empire was not equipped to fight even with superior numbers.

As to how this ties into the evolution of the armor, perhaps the relative awesomeness of the PT clone armor gave way to a generation of cheap, weak armor meant more for psychological warfare over interplanetary conquest. They couldn't make a full-scale change in four years by the time Palpatine kicked it. Fast forward to TFA, where a new force of Empire types is ready to do conquest again. Good thing this dovetails nicely with the relatively simple look of the OT armor versus the glitzy CG clone version, and the glitzier ones we see now that benefit from the current state of movie propmaking...

Mark
 
There have been more than three Storm Trooper looks. The snow trooper and the scout trooper were two other versions.

The change to the Clone Troopers served a plot reason (to be halfway between Jango's armor and the original Storm Trooper armor) and helped suggest change over the passage of time. Does the new Storm Trooper look serve a plot reason? Who the hell knows, the movie hasn't come out. More importantly, it doesn't need to. Star Wars is fundamentally about looking cool.
Very much this.

They at least slaughtered everyone but Leia on the blockade runner in A New Hope.

They did? It looked like they were marching a lot of rebel troops off like POWs.

Well, Vader's orders were to inform the Senate that all aboard were killed, including Leia. How many loose ends in terms of survivors Vader left hanging is certainly not established canonically at this point, but I wouldn't say that any of those prisoners had good chances. Even Leia was to be executed until Obi-Wan and company boarded the Death Star. I'd say they were likely fated to become the corpses consistent with that report on the fate of the Tantive IV, which was ordered to be submitted prior to the dissolution of the Senate. Arguably, any of those who weren't murdered over Tatooine were warehoused on the Death Star, but I doubt it.
 
Well, Vader's orders were to inform the Senate that all aboard were killed, including Leia. How many loose ends in terms of survivors Vader left hanging is certainly not established canonically at this point, but I wouldn't say that any of those prisoners had good chances.

Right, that was the cover story with the phony distress signal. I figured the prisoners were all transferred to the Death Star to be interrogated (tortured, mind-probed) for information on the rebellion. Then killed, of course, but I wasn't really considering that as being slaughtered by stormtroopers.
 
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