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I watched "Curse of the Fenric" the other day. I haven't watched that many McCoy's ( or C Bakers) so I thought I'd give this a whirl. I rather liked Ace in period costume.(Something I'd like to see more of in the current show) Nice gams, to use the vernacular of the time.
 
Got my wife the following for Christmas:

Revenge of the Cybermen: A most-maligned story and unjustly so, IMO. Lots of comedy--the intentional kind--and even Carey Blyton's score wasn't its usual crap quality. This was my sole exposure to the Cybermen for years and I liked them. I was quite surprised at all the scorn heaped on this one. It's nice to have Tom's first season in its entirety now. "Harry Sullivan is an imbecile!!!":rommie:

The Invisible Enemy: aka "The Giant Prawn from Space." I'm not sure about this one. I find her a charming character and the chemistry with Tom is there, but there's just something mssing...and it ain't clothes. Good Dudley Simpson score.

K-9 and Company: Let down by a "The 1980s are Here" credits and bland direction, though it's still entertaining. It's refreshing to see Sarah five years later and not shrieking about. I like her tougher, "bitchier" persona!:lol:
 
I just saw SJA "Death of the Doctor" and thought it was really good. It was interesting to see Matt as written by RTD. There wasn't much difference. I thought it was a fun romp and it was great to see Jo Grant again along with all the homages to the other Doctors.
 
Got my wife the following for Christmas:

Revenge of the Cybermen: A most-maligned story and unjustly so, IMO. Lots of comedy--the intentional kind--and even Carey Blyton's score wasn't its usual crap quality. This was my sole exposure to the Cybermen for years and I liked them. I was quite surprised at all the scorn heaped on this one. It's nice to have Tom's first season in its entirety now. "Harry Sullivan is an imbecile!!!":rommie:

The Invisible Enemy: aka "The Giant Prawn from Space." I'm not sure about this one. I find her a charming character and the chemistry with Tom is there, but there's just something mssing...and it ain't clothes. Good Dudley Simpson score.

K-9 and Company: Let down by a "The 1980s are Here" credits and bland direction, though it's still entertaining. It's refreshing to see Sarah five years later and not shrieking about. I like her tougher, "bitchier" persona!:lol:

Oh God the credits to K9 and Company are just hilarious! See Sarah Jane running, see Sarah Jane jogging, see Sarah Jane sat on a wall...then see K9 sat on the same wall, how'd he get up there? :guffaw:
 
Watched "The Firemaker" last night. The girlfriend and I have started watching from the beginning. She has only recently become a fan of the new series, so it's fun watching the old ones with her. I tried to talk her into watching some Tom Baker, but she's too nerdy to jump into the middle of a show like that. ;)

I'm glad to be done with the freakin' cavemen. The first serial suffers from being about twice as long as it needed to be (a common problem with the old show.) We'll be on to the Daleks tonight.
 
Ah, the Daleks with the "let's all jump over the inconveniently placed chasm in the cave in real time" scene. I remember it fondly. :p
I think early Who is really cool, before the series of rather inane plots towards the end of the Hartnell era but I was really glad the show picked up speed considerably in the course of the first two seasons.
 
I just watched was has to be the worst two episodes of anything: Parts I and II of Delta and the Bannermen.

On my initial watch of the show, I mostly saw Doctors 3-5, with a little 6 thrown in. I first saw 7 on my re-introduction to the show via Netflix 2 or so years ago, and he's far from my favorite.

But every aspect of Delta and the Bannermen is tainted with incompetence. I'm shocked at how unprofessional it looks--this would be a failing student production, and it was made by the BBC? Did everything they made in this period look so bad?

Really, there was one shot in the beginning sequence of the bad guy shooting the green plastic army men where the video's white balance is off and everything's tinted blue. I can't believe someone collected a paycheck for that.

So what was wrong with it?

1. The look of the show was cheap--like it was lit wrong or something
2. The acting was awful.
3. The costuming was awful: the chubby American secret agent wasn't even wearing a real New York Yankees jacket. It was just a plain navy jacket with a Yankees logo that they made out of white tape.
4. WTF with the egg that sprouted a quick-age baby?
5. The music was bad, too.

I might watch the final two parts out of my sheer love for bad TV, but after watching this, I'm incredulous that the BBC didn't cancel the show two years earlier.

After this, I'm convinced that anyone who heaps scorn on the current series while holding up the classic as a paragon of stimulating intellectual TV is in serious denial. It was that bad.
 
And yet it isn't so long after that that they made Fenric, which looks fantastic (slightly dodgy heomovores(sp) aside)
 
Watched "The Firemaker" last night. The girlfriend and I have started watching from the beginning. She has only recently become a fan of the new series, so it's fun watching the old ones with her. I tried to talk her into watching some Tom Baker, but she's too nerdy to jump into the middle of a show like that. ;)

Good luck with "Marco Polo.":p

Ah, the Daleks with the "let's all jump over the inconveniently placed chasm in the cave in real time" scene. I remember it fondly. :p

I genuinely like that sequence. Once you get used to the pacing of the classic stories, there's a certain palpable jeopardy to those episodes. You really feel the isolation, where they really could die or be permanently stranded if they don't manage to retrieve the fluid link from the Daleks. And the chasm sequence is pretty good as far as zero-budget set pieces go.

I think early Who is really cool, before the series of rather inane plots towards the end of the Hartnell era but I was really glad the show picked up speed considerably in the course of the first two seasons.

I haven't seen a lot from William Hartnell's final year but I don't much care for what I have seen. I've never been much of a 1st Doctor fan. What carries me through his stories is Ian, Barbara, and Susan.

I recently rewatched "The Dalek Invasion of Earth," "The Rescue," & "The Romans."

"The Dalek Invasion of Earth" is mostly painfully slow. Although, it's fun to pick out the Dalek lines that were later used verbatim in "The Stolen Earth." But honestly, after watching the 1st 3 Dalek stories, I fail to see what there was about them that made them such a cultural phenomenon back in the 1960s. The story's main saving grace is the Doctor's heartfelt goodbye to Susan. If only every companion could get such a well done departure.

"The Rescue" is mercifully short and has a lot of great character moments.

"The Romans" has got to be my all-time favorite Hartnell story. The comic timing is perfect throughout, and Hartnell seems to be flubbing far fewer lines than usual. Vicki is really cute and charming in a way that she doesn't manage to be in any other story. It's the only story where I can't just dismiss her as a poor man's Susan. And I love the Ian/Barbara subplot. I think this story more than any other fuels the obvious 'shipping between the two, both when Ian is devoted to risking it all to find Barbara and during their funny moments in the house at the beginning and end of the story.

OK, I've struggled through the Dalek two parter from Series 3, still undoubtly the low point of that season where RTD/Tennat Who otherwise peaked - "Daleks in Manhattan" scraped by as OK-ish with the feel of 1930s New York developed well, however it all fell apart in "Evolution of the Daleks", an episode that is a toxic mix of stupid and boredom.

Here's something I've recently realized about the new series: When it's great, it's one of the best TV shows ever! But when it's not great, when it's merely average, it's cripplingly boring. I think it comes down to the fact that Doctor Who traditionally and still routinely sacrifices character in favor of plot. So when the plot doesn't manage to be spectacular, there's usually not enough of the characters left to carry the episode across the finish line. Season 3 is chock full of episodes like this. In addition to "Daleks in Manhattan"/"Evolution of the Daleks," I also felt this way about "Gridlock," "The Lazarus Experiment," & "42."

Christmas was very good to me, Who-wise. My mother & sister got me 4 classic Pertwee stories-- "Spearhead from Space," "The Claws of Axos," "Frontier in Space," & "Planet of the Daleks." (BTW, they should include a spoiler alert on putting "Frontier in Space" on a box set called "Dalek War.)
 
I think early Who is really cool, before the series of rather inane plots towards the end of the Hartnell era but I was really glad the show picked up speed considerably in the course of the first two seasons.

I haven't seen a lot from William Hartnell's final year but I don't much care for what I have seen. I've never been much of a 1st Doctor fan. What carries me through his stories is Ian, Barbara, and Susan.

Well, there isn't so much to see, unfortunately. ;) I was referring to the time of Innes Loyd as producer. Somehow, I often found the plots incoherent and the stories not that meaningful, though there was enough to like for me to keep watching, or more often than I would have liked to, listening. It's very possible that my perception of this period also suffers from the fact so much of it is lost and incomplete. It's just not so much fun to watch reconstructions.
I really came to like the 1st Doctor a lot, his lovable grumpyness and the mmh, mmhs at the end of questions. Ian and Barbara are companions I like a lot but I could have done without Susan, or at least without her constant screaming, whining and general uselessness. I also liked Ben and Polly.

I'm sorry you didn't like The Dalek Invasion of Earth. It's one of my favourite stories. I found the dystopian setting with the mind-controlled humans right at the beginning reasonably creepy. I also thought that some of the minor characters were fleshed out really well, especially the inventor guy who gets killed in a heroic stand-off with the Daleks.
It suffers a bit from the rather lame way the Daleks get defeated in the end but that's common for Dalek and Cybermen stories. Still I think they were quite effective villains because you couldn't reason with them and they were just merciless. Of course, I saw 'Dalek' longe before I saw any of the original Dalek stories so my perception might have been influenced by that.

I finished two stories recently. First, The Mind Robber. Well, there goes my hope of having a female companion that's not constantly shrieking for no reason in Zoe. She does that a lot here, and at moments that aren't actually that terrifying. This story is one of those dreamlike settings that often just serve as vehicles for surreal and nonsensical props and plots. I'm not generally a fan of those. In this case, there is some meta fun to be had when the Doctor, Jamie and Zoe are afraid of being turned into fiction. Also, the fight with the Karkus is really funny due to the Doctor's comments and I like how Zoe is channeling Emma Peel in the fight, complete with catsuit. The subplot with Jamie changing his face is also quite entertaining, although it was born out of outside circumstances (the actor was sick). I liked the white robots and the tin soldiers. All in all, this story drags on for way too long, the threat to humanity is contrived and the motivation of the aliens doesn't make much sense. They should have stayed with the story of the Master (sadly not The Master) just being tired of his role and looking for a replacement and the aliens just desiring entertainment. Also, Troughton overacts a lot in this. My verdict: meh.

Next up was The Invasion. Hooray! When I first started watching the old show from the beginning I was impressed by it being such a modern and progressive show, seemingly very much in touch with its time (or as I imagine the 60s to be). Somewhere along the way, in the Innes Lloyd years mostly, the show had lost that appeal, but this serial brought this feeling back.
The Doctor and his companions are back in London of the 60s and the serial feels quite gritty and real. Zoe doesn't scream around but instead proves to be a valuable companion and also talks a computer to death.
I loved the lengthy build-up until we find out who's behind the invasion plans. I think this is the first Cybermen serial that's not hampered by gaping plot holes and a really stupid solution to fight them off. There are some minor points to nitpick, especially the "They're not logical circuits, they're emotional circuits" line and the fact that it takes UNIT only two hours to get from somewhere in Britain to Baikonur or wherever it was the Russians started their rockets from in that time.
The ending is also great, after the Doctor had done his best they were still stuck waiting whether the Russian rocket would destroy the Cybermen's ship in time. The slapstick scene at the end where the Doctor and his companions try to find the invisible Tardis was fun.
I really liked the animation for the two missing episodes. Granted, it didn't convey the full range of mimics of the respective actors but that's generally true for animation series. I found the backgrounds looking somewhat blurry a nice touch and fitting to the story. A great serial.
 
Well, I watched Part III of Delta and the Bannermen last night. Thankfully it was only three episodes.

I went over the the Doctor Who Ratings Guide and was amazed to see that some people consider this episode a highpoint of season 24 and even the show.

I just have a really hard time taking McCoy seriously. The "impassioned" speech he gave at the end of ep 2 was laughable.

I guess if you're watching it as a parody of Doctor Who, it works, but again, I'm amazed that no one was fired for this making it on-air.
 
Yeah, "Delta" as well as most of the season were really low points for WHO. "Dragonfire" is a bit better, with some cool nods to vampire lore (The Nosferatu, Kane sleeping in a coffin and his weakness being sunlight) that would later be developed more in Fenric, and some of classic WHO's better FX (Apart from the 'dragon').

WHO did get some steam back in the next season (Mainly in Rememberance of the Daleks, which should have been the 25th anniversary special instead of the awful Silver Nemesis), and season 26 apart from Battlefield is one of WHO's darkest seasons, as McCoy plays a more withdrawn, aloof and far less silly Doctor.
 
Yeah, I was looking at the list of stories for the McCoy years, and I was thinking that 26 wasn't so bad, though Battlefield was awful. The other stories are decent, at least.

If nothing else, it's a tribute to human determination that they kept on making the show after some of those stinkers.
 
My wife gave me the Peladon box set for my birthday today, so we Curse Of Peladon earlier - always loved that one, even though it's a total knockoff of Journey To Babel...
 
Thanks - oh, 42, in case you're wondering.

I shall spend 2011 in Deep Thought.
 
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Hey, cool. You also have a fitting Who episode (which I like, but most people don't) you can watch. :)
 
Yeah, I was looking at the list of stories for the McCoy years, and I was thinking that 26 wasn't so bad, though Battlefield was awful. The other stories are decent, at least.

If nothing else, it's a tribute to human determination that they kept on making the show after some of those stinkers.
Well, the show had low points before. Season 17, and a definite dip during the Trout era. And I think seasons 25 and 26 are pretty good on the whole. It's like a reverse Pert situation; rather than one great season and the rest mostly shite, it's a poor first year and good fare mostly otherwise.
 
Recently found OmahaStar's Classic Day by Day Who thread, which lead me to YouTube to watch War Games. Not a bad story, though it seemed dreadfully long (maybe moreso with it being divided into 16 chunks on Youtube, versus 10 episodes?)

Also came across Summnd By Shadows, "lost" Colin Baker story? I've never heard of it? Watched the first of 5 parts, shaky sound, and looks like an episode that never made it to Post Production, and elements were used in other stories. Is this a real story that never aired, or did someone totally fabricate it? First scene is Colin Baker turning into Sylvester McCoy (though he doesn't change) with Mel laying on the floor next to him, but, then it says "Sometime later" and he's with Perry with long hair?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnyz50rCoE&feature=related

Oh, by the way, hello all, been lurking for some time and reading, and finally decided to join
 
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