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[Joel_Kirk]

***Actually, I think the Doctor Who franchise handles their black characters pretty well; even better than Star Trek, IMO....(BIG kudos to RTD, for expanding on that greatly in the nuWHO years)....

Yeah, well. On that RTD point, I'm not sure he does that well. Mickey's portrayed as a hapless idiot who rolls over and takes it when the Doctor shows up, takes the piss out of him, puts him through a year of ostracization after being accused of having something to do with Rose's disappearance because feckless northerner Ninth can't control the Tardis properly (and then, rather than apologising for this, he carries on calling Mickey an idiot), and then when him and Rose are finally separated from the Doctor in a different universe, she keeps dreaming about the Doctor to the point she drags him and her family to a cloudy beach to cry her eyes out at how she'll miss him. Then she gets her own human-Doctor sex doll and Mickey's forever out in the cold from her after that.

As for Martha, she falls in love with handsome whitey Tennant within about 10 seconds of meeting him, but he's still cutting himself over Wose being gone and doesn't even consider Martha.

So, what happens to Mickey and Martha? Well, despite having completely mismatched personalities, RTD marries them off to each other, because black people should only really marry black people. The despicable talentless hack.

I know you're not fond of RTD, but I guess you can also look at it that way....

 

[starsuperion]

I suppose I should Feel Guilty for being white now..

actually I am half Mediterranean, My Father is Italian.. so that makes my ancestors pure evil.. I guess..

I mean, we did rule half of the known world, almost all of europe, parts of the middle east, Africa, Asia, and controlled the main seas there.. we killed Jesus on the orders of the Jewish people who lived there, and we pretty much were responsible for the dark ages, cause we kept all our records in one spot..and foolishly let them get burned..
we also invented the Bailout, and welfare state, as the eastern side of the roman empire supported the western side, who were lazy bastards..no offense..

as for all this recent race talk.. I am a bit nervous (well I am white, I am supposed to right?).. cause I thought that the point of the New doctor who series was to emulate some online world community where anything goes( was RTD a Pink Gay Kangaroo in second life??).. and not typical British traditional values..

Interracial dating in every episode, Gotta make sure those people are represented..
Gay and Lesbians have to be represented too... and not to mention inter alien dating or flirtation... that has to be represented as well.. right? I mean why can't Jack tackle the bug chic on Utopia?? She's got an orifice right?? I mean, there is some things missing come to think of it.. we need some horned people who want to date asian people with blond hair.. and some other mixed race and alien dating..

Since we are being so liberal with the value set, how about making the doctor hang out with a drug dealer and addict in the next series, and vouch for the right to do so, as long as the current government of that world can help them to clean up, or die..or gives them clean syringes?? It's a brand new mind set.. we have to embrace everything cause that makes you tolerant and wonderfully accepting..

I think that we need a half human and half donkey gay activist alien who is dating a white girl to be the next companion..then we at least have covered some of the bases.. unless you guys think a Broccoli alien with a chip on his shoulders is a better choice.. we could make him a victim of stereotyping cause of his nature... and have him advocate in every episode his Broccoliness and his plight as a picked on race, which has been severely wronged in every salad and dinner plate on earth..

Maybe then we can finally do away with the focus being on race and how many representations of people are in a doctor who story.. Yet somehow, I think that I doubt it.. we may get every ethinic group on the earth, and every type of butch-lesbian to dainty-lesbian, and butch-Gay to feminine-Gay, to "special" people with a handicap, and still a group will show up and start fussing saying their rights are being ignored..

In the U.K. this seems to have developed into a severe problem so much so that the typical identity of the British citizen is in such a flux, they don't even know who they are anymore.. but hey, that's the nature of globalist stupidity...why travel anymore, your country is a representation of the world.. stay home, eat chips, watch tele, and let the good ole days of travel pass you by..

Oh wait... that is right, I am white so that means I have to embrace other cultures automatically lest I be considered an evil racist..

I mean doesn't the fact that I even mention the word "race" and not in a supportive tone, automatically makes me a closet racist?? I am sure there are some who think so...

can't we just have a doctor who series of shows with some people who just happen to be a particular race, without someone thinking it is a stereotypical portrayal of a coloured person, or a less then 1st class citizen..

Mickey smith was an idiot, who grew up, and became a hero.. and finally found true love, and an ass that won't quit.. come on.. so he didn't get the white girl..who cares..what like that is the best representation a black person can achieve??..Come on, I think he did better with Martha.. at least in certain circumstances he doesn't have to worry about teeth chafing..LMAO

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

RTD marries them off to each other, because black people should only really marry black people.

Oh yes, there's a true shortage of interracial couples in Doctor Who. Unless they're Donna Noble and Lance Bennett, Donna Noble and Shaun Temple (they're married, aren't they?), Ianto Jones and Lisa Hallett, Clive Jones and Annalise, Foon and Morvin Van Hoff (married, right?), and I'm not talking about Tosh and Mary or Milo and Cheem. Yeah, RTD is a real monster.

The despicable talentless hack.

Maybe that's a line that you shouldn't cross.

 

[Bones2]

The despicable talentless hack.

Maybe that's a line that you shouldn't cross.

It's a critique of his work. And as for pairing off some poor black bloke to Donna Noble, well surely that's the cruelest fate of all.

Right, so I've watched more classic Doctor Who.

The Green Death - It's alright, I guess. I mean, if you can accept seeing Pertwee dressing up as a cleaning woman, maggots cheeerfully gobbling up the fungi that turns out to be poisonous to them, the fact it's about 2 episodes longer than it really needs to be, and that Jo Grant gets engaged to some jarring bloke who's apparently fallen in love with her based upon her ability to knock things over like a clutz (all she's good for, really). I don't know what he must be thinking, I mean Nancy's easily the real hottie in this story. Maybe it was just so the Doctor could drive off all sad at the end, but it wasn't particularly believable. Of course, if you listen to rumours like I do, you'd know in real life it's alleged Pertwee had already Worzeled her Gummage anyway. But yes, as for the story, it has its moments. The maggots are fairly effective, and the Metebelis III jaunt near the beginning for the magic crystal was interesting. Still, it's not one of the best. 2.5, maybe 3.

Paradise Towers - Gets off to a very strong start and has the potential to be a classic. Sadly, it doesn't last the course. It's good for the first half or so, but can't keep it up, and once Richard Briers turns into the weirdo Kroagnon zombie it nearly all goes out the window. Still, it's quite effective in those early parts and pretty creepy in places, with killer robots and cannibalism and that. Disappointing it didn't turn out better overall. 3.5ish, I'd say.

 

[VDCNI]

Hmm, subtle manipulation of the facts there Bones. It's true that Colin's first season was comparable to Davison's second and third, but nowhere near the figures Davison's first season had (which was even bigger than Tom's last season I believe).

Yes, after one season of Davo, they were so bored of his Doctor that they stopped watching. Of course, I'd say his first season's his best; it has its duds but Kinda and Earthshock are terrific. He also did get higher ratings than Tom's last season, I imagine due to renewed interest in the show because of the regeneration. Mind you, after the pretty poor Douglas Adams season, I'm not surprised people didn't bother the next year. Destiny of the Daleks got high ratings (I imagine the Daleks were still event television, even if he story's damn poor), and if I recall correctly, City of Death is still the most watched story ever (it's brilliant, after all). The rest of that season is damn weak, and looks pretty poor because they were saving the money for Shada, which was of course never made.

Of course Colin's second season was much, much lower. But I think a lot of that can be contributed to the 18 month gap.

Definitely, as well as being a shorter season too. I think there might have been some silly scheduling too, though I'm not sure. It's a shame, because I think Trial's pretty decent on the whole.

Is it actual fact that Grade canned the show because of his wife? I mean one would imagine that if that was FACT that Colin would be quite a wealthy man now...

Michael Grade didn't like Doctor Who, so he had it cancelled. The star was his wife's ex, so he insisted on his being sacked (despite what people might insist on repeating, Colin's Doctor was not unpopular at the time). I don't want to sound condescending, but isn't this the first you've heard about Colin's ex wife and Grade?

I assume you mean Lisa Goddard who was Baker's ex wife but never married to Grade.

 

[Starkers]

I suppose I should Feel Guilty for being white now..

actually I am half Mediterranean, My Father is Italian.. so that makes my ancestors pure evil.. I guess..

I mean, we did rule half of the known world, almost all of europe, parts of the middle east, Africa, Asia, and controlled the main seas there.. we killed Jesus on the orders of the Jewish people who lived there, and we pretty much were responsible for the dark ages, cause we kept all our records in one spot..and foolishly let them get burned..
we also invented the Bailout, and welfare state, as the eastern side of the roman empire supported the western side, who were lazy bastards..no offense..

as for all this recent race talk.. I am a bit nervous (well I am white, I am supposed to right?).. cause I thought that the point of the New doctor who series was to emulate some online world community where anything goes( was RTD a Pink Gay Kangaroo in second life??).. and not typical British traditional values..

Interracial dating in every episode, Gotta make sure those people are represented..
Gay and Lesbians have to be represented too... and not to mention inter alien dating or flirtation... that has to be represented as well.. right? I mean why can't Jack tackle the bug chic on Utopia?? She's got an orifice right?? I mean, there is some things missing come to think of it.. we need some horned people who want to date asian people with blond hair.. and some other mixed race and alien dating..

Since we are being so liberal with the value set, how about making the doctor hang out with a drug dealer and addict in the next series, and vouch for the right to do so, as long as the current government of that world can help them to clean up, or die..or gives them clean syringes?? It's a brand new mind set.. we have to embrace everything cause that makes you tolerant and wonderfully accepting..

I think that we need a half human and half donkey gay activist alien who is dating a white girl to be the next companion..then we at least have covered some of the bases.. unless you guys think a Broccoli alien with a chip on his shoulders is a better choice.. we could make him a victim of stereotyping cause of his nature... and have him advocate in every episode his Broccoliness and his plight as a picked on race, which has been severely wronged in every salad and dinner plate on earth..

Maybe then we can finally do away with the focus being on race and how many representations of people are in a doctor who story.. Yet somehow, I think that I doubt it.. we may get every ethinic group on the earth, and every type of butch-lesbian to dainty-lesbian, and butch-Gay to feminine-Gay, to "special" people with a handicap, and still a group will show up and start fussing saying their rights are being ignored..

In the U.K. this seems to have developed into a severe problem so much so that the typical identity of the British citizen is in such a flux, they don't even know who they are anymore.. but hey, that's the nature of globalist stupidity...why travel anymore, your country is a representation of the world.. stay home, eat chips, watch tele, and let the good ole days of travel pass you by..

Oh wait... that is right, I am white so that means I have to embrace other cultures automatically lest I be considered an evil racist..

I mean doesn't the fact that I even mention the word "race" and not in a supportive tone, automatically makes me a closet racist?? I am sure there are some who think so...

can't we just have a doctor who series of shows with some people who just happen to be a particular race, without someone thinking it is a stereotypical portrayal of a coloured person, or a less then 1st class citizen..

Mickey smith was an idiot, who grew up, and became a hero.. and finally found true love, and an ass that won't quit.. come on.. so he didn't get the white girl..who cares..what like that is the best representation a black person can achieve??..Come on, I think he did better with Martha.. at least in certain circumstances he doesn't have to worry about teeth chafing..LMAO

Oh dear...

 

[Starkers]

Hmm, subtle manipulation of the facts there Bones. It's true that Colin's first season was comparable to Davison's second and third, but nowhere near the figures Davison's first season had (which was even bigger than Tom's last season I believe).

Yes, after one season of Davo, they were so bored of his Doctor that they stopped watching. Of course, I'd say his first season's his best; it has its duds but Kinda and Earthshock are terrific. He also did get higher ratings than Tom's last season, I imagine due to renewed interest in the show because of the regeneration. Mind you, after the pretty poor Douglas Adams season, I'm not surprised people didn't bother the next year. Destiny of the Daleks got high ratings (I imagine the Daleks were still event television, even if he story's damn poor), and if I recall correctly, City of Death is still the most watched story ever (it's brilliant, after all). The rest of that season is damn weak, and looks pretty poor because they were saving the money for Shada, which was of course never made.

Of course Colin's second season was much, much lower. But I think a lot of that can be contributed to the 18 month gap.

Definitely, as well as being a shorter season too. I think there might have been some silly scheduling too, though I'm not sure. It's a shame, because I think Trial's pretty decent on the whole.

Is it actual fact that Grade canned the show because of his wife? I mean one would imagine that if that was FACT that Colin would be quite a wealthy man now...

Michael Grade didn't like Doctor Who, so he had it cancelled. The star was his wife's ex, so he insisted on his being sacked (despite what people might insist on repeating, Colin's Doctor was not unpopular at the time). I don't want to sound condescending, but isn't this the first you've heard about Colin's ex wife and Grade?

Yup, which again brings me down to the actual facts of the case--as I said it it were proven fact that Colin was sacked purely because of Grade and Colin's ex wife then that's unfair dismissal. Has Grade or the woman in question admitted this? Or are you making assumptions to protect Colin's honour?

I think the fact that so few people came back to Who speaks volume, not neccesarily about Colin but about the show in general, it needed a rest, just a shame about the way it ended up getting it!

The Fifth Doctor had plenty of personality, I think to be honest you mistake Colin's shouty arrogance for personlity sometimes, what else was there apart from that?

 

[Bones2]

Well, there's a certain amount of rumour and speculation involved, because obviously Michael Grade won't actually say "yeah, I'm a c*** who sacked my squeeze's ex as a birthday present and cancelled that ropey old show I can't stand out of personal dislike, even though it was profitable and popular".

What was the Fifth Doctor's personality? Some breathless beige posh boy in pyjama trousers who spent most of the time getting shouted down by a bolshy air hostess? That's not what I want the Doctor to be. It's easy and glib to condemn the Sixth Doctor as merely brash and arrogant, whereas he was a far more rounded character with more depth than Davison's bland interpretation.

 

[DWF]

So, what happens to Mickey and Martha? Well, despite having completely mismatched personalities, RTD marries them off to each other, because black people should only really marry black people. The despicable talentless hack.

So why did Donna end up married to a black man?

 

[Bones2]

Hardly a main character was he? Who knows if RTD even intended him to be black. But his treatment of the two main black characters of his era was pretty poor.

 

[starsuperion]

I suppose I should Feel Guilty for being white now..

actually I am half Mediterranean, My Father is Italian.. so that makes my ancestors pure evil.. I guess..

I mean, we did rule half of the known world, almost all of europe, parts of the middle east, Africa, Asia, and controlled the main seas there.. we killed Jesus on the orders of the Jewish people who lived there, and we pretty much were responsible for the dark ages, cause we kept all our records in one spot..and foolishly let them get burned..
we also invented the Bailout, and welfare state, as the eastern side of the roman empire supported the western side, who were lazy bastards..no offense..

as for all this recent race talk.. I am a bit nervous (well I am white, I am supposed to right?).. cause I thought that the point of the New doctor who series was to emulate some online world community where anything goes( was RTD a Pink Gay Kangaroo in second life??).. and not typical British traditional values..

Interracial dating in every episode, Gotta make sure those people are represented..
Gay and Lesbians have to be represented too... and not to mention inter alien dating or flirtation... that has to be represented as well.. right? I mean why can't Jack tackle the bug chic on Utopia?? She's got an orifice right?? I mean, there is some things missing come to think of it.. we need some horned people who want to date asian people with blond hair.. and some other mixed race and alien dating..

Since we are being so liberal with the value set, how about making the doctor hang out with a drug dealer and addict in the next series, and vouch for the right to do so, as long as the current government of that world can help them to clean up, or die..or gives them clean syringes?? It's a brand new mind set.. we have to embrace everything cause that makes you tolerant and wonderfully accepting..

I think that we need a half human and half donkey gay activist alien who is dating a white girl to be the next companion..then we at least have covered some of the bases.. unless you guys think a Broccoli alien with a chip on his shoulders is a better choice.. we could make him a victim of stereotyping cause of his nature... and have him advocate in every episode his Broccoliness and his plight as a picked on race, which has been severely wronged in every salad and dinner plate on earth..

Maybe then we can finally do away with the focus being on race and how many representations of people are in a doctor who story.. Yet somehow, I think that I doubt it.. we may get every ethinic group on the earth, and every type of butch-lesbian to dainty-lesbian, and butch-Gay to feminine-Gay, to "special" people with a handicap, and still a group will show up and start fussing saying their rights are being ignored..

In the U.K. this seems to have developed into a severe problem so much so that the typical identity of the British citizen is in such a flux, they don't even know who they are anymore.. but hey, that's the nature of globalist stupidity...why travel anymore, your country is a representation of the world.. stay home, eat chips, watch tele, and let the good ole days of travel pass you by..

Oh wait... that is right, I am white so that means I have to embrace other cultures automatically lest I be considered an evil racist..

I mean doesn't the fact that I even mention the word "race" and not in a supportive tone, automatically makes me a closet racist?? I am sure there are some who think so...

can't we just have a doctor who series of shows with some people who just happen to be a particular race, without someone thinking it is a stereotypical portrayal of a coloured person, or a less then 1st class citizen..

Mickey smith was an idiot, who grew up, and became a hero.. and finally found true love, and an ass that won't quit.. come on.. so he didn't get the white girl..who cares..what like that is the best representation a black person can achieve??..Come on, I think he did better with Martha.. at least in certain circumstances he doesn't have to worry about teeth chafing..LMAO

Oh dear...

yeah that was sarcasm, and basically why does the focus need to be on race..from both the fan side, and the director, who seemed to me like he was doing some sort of multicultural affirmative action.. and product placement..only he used race, and sexual preference to do so..

I much prefer the direction of Moffat..if a character happens to be black then so be it..but not overly placing an interracial couple off and on throughout the series..Oh yeah in case you forgot, and oh yeah just incase you forgot again, and oh once more just so you know...

I think that if I were to take USS Bones' Logic and apply it to the show, then why aren't there any discussions of how Jackie was treated?? Women who aren't attractive anymore, are degraded and made to feel stupid and ignorant..

yet no one complains about that do they?? Nope, it is the same stuff over and over, Minority treated like this, and Homosexual bashing that..

thicken up that hide, and get over it.. sheesh!

 

[Starkers]

Of course RTD intended him to be black! And of course the first man Donna was going to marry was black too.

Davison spent a lot of time shouting down the bolshy air hostess don't forget. He also incorporated a lot of previous Doctors within his performance. He's just a more subtle actor, and as Moffat says, probably one of the best actors to play the role in the classic series, as evidenced by one of the few who actually had a consistant career post Doctor Who.

Horses for courses but I didn't see much roundedness about the Sixth Doctor.

So you admit that your facts are in actual fact rumour and speculation?

 

[Bones2]

Of course RTD intended him to be black! And of course the first man Donna was going to marry was black too.

So a minor character whose name no one remembers didn't get a rough time (aside from having to marry Donna of course). Does that excuse RTD's treatment of Mickey and Martha?

Davison spent a lot of time shouting down the bolshy air hostess don't forget.

Yeah, what great television that makes.

He also incorporated a lot of previous Doctors within his performance.

Yeah, in part one of Castrovalva maybe.

He's just a more subtle actor, and as Moffat says, probably one of the best actors to play the role in the classic series, as evidenced by one of the few who actually had a consistant career post Doctor Who.

A more subtle actor? What does that even mean? You seem to be seeing a careful, nuanced, multi-layered performance where no one else does. I'm not denying Davison's a good actor. He was very convinving in the role of the Doctor. Sadly, that Doctor had a personality to match his silly beige costume. Your fondness of his Doctor seems only to be based on having watched him at the time.

Horses for courses but I didn't see much roundedness about the Sixth Doctor.

The change in his character as his time went on after his traumatic regeneration, and in his relationship with Peri both showed roundedness and quiet thoughtfulness and vulnerability beneath his often brash exterior. Really, give Revelation of the Daleks a watch. There was real character development between The Twin Dilemma and The Ultimate Foe. Davison, on the other hand, stayed the same dullard he regenerated into throughout his three seasons.

So you admit that your facts are in actual fact rumour and speculation?

Michael Grade has spoken at length about how he disliked Doctor Who and axed it out of his personal dislike. His forcing out of Colin is well known to be because of his relationship with Colin's ex, though apparently not so well known that you'd heard it earlier than about two days ago. Would you like me to trawl through some newpapers from 25 years ago and find a clipping where Grade says "Yeah, I forced him out for having a go on my woman before I did, it's just a happy bonus that it damages a show I find ridiculous" and post it to you?

 

[Joel_Kirk]

I suppose I should Feel Guilty for being white now..

actually I am half Mediterranean, My Father is Italian.. so that makes my ancestors pure evil.. I guess..

I mean, we did rule half of the known world, almost all of europe, parts of the middle east, Africa, Asia, and controlled the main seas there.. we killed Jesus on the orders of the Jewish people who lived there, and we pretty much were responsible for the dark ages, cause we kept all our records in one spot..and foolishly let them get burned..
we also invented the Bailout, and welfare state, as the eastern side of the roman empire supported the western side, who were lazy bastards..no offense..

as for all this recent race talk.. I am a bit nervous (well I am white, I am supposed to right?).. cause I thought that the point of the New doctor who series was to emulate some online world community where anything goes( was RTD a Pink Gay Kangaroo in second life??).. and not typical British traditional values..

Interracial dating in every episode, Gotta make sure those people are represented..
Gay and Lesbians have to be represented too... and not to mention inter alien dating or flirtation... that has to be represented as well.. right? I mean why can't Jack tackle the bug chic on Utopia?? She's got an orifice right?? I mean, there is some things missing come to think of it.. we need some horned people who want to date asian people with blond hair.. and some other mixed race and alien dating..

Since we are being so liberal with the value set, how about making the doctor hang out with a drug dealer and addict in the next series, and vouch for the right to do so, as long as the current government of that world can help them to clean up, or die..or gives them clean syringes?? It's a brand new mind set.. we have to embrace everything cause that makes you tolerant and wonderfully accepting..

I think that we need a half human and half donkey gay activist alien who is dating a white girl to be the next companion..then we at least have covered some of the bases.. unless you guys think a Broccoli alien with a chip on his shoulders is a better choice.. we could make him a victim of stereotyping cause of his nature... and have him advocate in every episode his Broccoliness and his plight as a picked on race, which has been severely wronged in every salad and dinner plate on earth..

Maybe then we can finally do away with the focus being on race and how many representations of people are in a doctor who story.. Yet somehow, I think that I doubt it.. we may get every ethinic group on the earth, and every type of butch-lesbian to dainty-lesbian, and butch-Gay to feminine-Gay, to "special" people with a handicap, and still a group will show up and start fussing saying their rights are being ignored..

In the U.K. this seems to have developed into a severe problem so much so that the typical identity of the British citizen is in such a flux, they don't even know who they are anymore.. but hey, that's the nature of globalist stupidity...why travel anymore, your country is a representation of the world.. stay home, eat chips, watch tele, and let the good ole days of travel pass you by..

Oh wait... that is right, I am white so that means I have to embrace other cultures automatically lest I be considered an evil racist..

I mean doesn't the fact that I even mention the word "race" and not in a supportive tone, automatically makes me a closet racist?? I am sure there are some who think so...

can't we just have a doctor who series of shows with some people who just happen to be a particular race, without someone thinking it is a stereotypical portrayal of a coloured person, or a less then 1st class citizen..

Mickey smith was an idiot, who grew up, and became a hero.. and finally found true love, and an ass that won't quit.. come on.. so he didn't get the white girl..who cares..what like that is the best representation a black person can achieve??..Come on, I think he did better with Martha.. at least in certain circumstances he doesn't have to worry about teeth chafing..LMAO

Oh dear...

yeah that was sarcasm, and basically why does the focus need to be on race..from both the fan side, and the director, who seemed to me like he was doing some sort of multicultural affirmative action.. and product placement..only he used race, and sexual preference to do so..

I much prefer the direction of Moffat..if a character happens to be black then so be it..but not overly placing an interracial couple off and on throughout the series..Oh yeah in case you forgot, and oh yeah just incase you forgot again, and oh once more just so you know...

I think that if I were to take USS Bones' Logic and apply it to the show, then why aren't there any discussions of how Jackie was treated?? Women who aren't attractive anymore, are degraded and made to feel stupid and ignorant..

yet no one complains about that do they?? Nope, it is the same stuff over and over, Minority treated like this, and Homosexual bashing that..

thicken up that hide, and get over it.. sheesh!

I hope not to derail this thread too much, but is this post saying that whenever there is a questionable portrayal of a person of color, gender, or sexual orientation that the viewer (or whomever is making the observation) should just 'thicken up that hide and get over it'?

Certain things to need to be brought out in the open, I think...(Depending on portrayals or circumstances, of course)...

 

[DWF]

A more subtle actor? What does that even mean? You seem to be seeing a careful, nuanced, multi-layered performance where no one else does. I'm not denying Davison's a good actor. He was very convinving in the role of the Doctor. Sadly, that Doctor had a personality to match his silly beige costume. Your fondness of his Doctor seems only to be based on having watched him at the time.

You can blame Davison, Baker and McCoy's outfits on JNT none of them wore what they wanted to wear in the part.

http://www.shannonsullivan.com/drwho/serials/6s.html

The new star and his producer were less like-minded on the topic of the Sixth Doctor's costume. Baker preferred a black velvet outfit, but Nathan-Turner vetoed this on the grounds that it was too similar to the Master's usual dress. Instead, the producer wanted something totally tasteless to replace Davison's understated cricketing garb, and costume designer Pat Godfrey had to go back to the drawing board several times before finally devising something which Nathan-Turner felt was sufficiently garish. Godfrey was instructed to omit the colour blue from his pallet (since this would interfere with special effects shots using the Colour Separation Overlay technique), and was asked to retain the question-mark collars that Nathan-Turner had introduced in 1980. For his part, Baker decided to add a cat badge to the ensemble, which he would often swap out; this was inspired by “The Cat That Walked By Himself”, from Rudyard Kipling's 1902 anthology Just So Stories. Baker was otherwise reluctant to embrace Nathan-Turner's chosen design; indeed, years later, the producer admitted that the costume had been a mistake, and worked against the show.

 

[starsuperion]

Oh dear...

yeah that was sarcasm, and basically why does the focus need to be on race..from both the fan side, and the director, who seemed to me like he was doing some sort of multicultural affirmative action.. and product placement..only he used race, and sexual preference to do so..

I much prefer the direction of Moffat..if a character happens to be black then so be it..but not overly placing an interracial couple off and on throughout the series..Oh yeah in case you forgot, and oh yeah just incase you forgot again, and oh once more just so you know...

I think that if I were to take USS Bones' Logic and apply it to the show, then why aren't there any discussions of how Jackie was treated?? Women who aren't attractive anymore, are degraded and made to feel stupid and ignorant..

yet no one complains about that do they?? Nope, it is the same stuff over and over, Minority treated like this, and Homosexual bashing that..

thicken up that hide, and get over it.. sheesh!

I hope not to derail this thread too much, but is this post saying that whenever there is a questionable portrayal of a person of color, gender, or sexual orientation that the viewer (or whomever is making the observation) should just 'thicken up that hide and get over it'?

Certain things to need to be brought out in the open, I think...(Depending on portrayals or circumstances, of course)...

yeah but the beauty was that mickey started idiotic and became a force for good, and a hero.. it is a classic story theme no matter what race you are..

 

[Joel_Kirk]

A more subtle actor? What does that even mean? You seem to be seeing a careful, nuanced, multi-layered performance where no one else does. I'm not denying Davison's a good actor. He was very convinving in the role of the Doctor. Sadly, that Doctor had a personality to match his silly beige costume. Your fondness of his Doctor seems only to be based on having watched him at the time.

You can blame Davison, Baker and McCoy's outfits on JNT none of them wore what they wanted to wear in the part.

http://www.shannonsullivan.com/drwho/serials/6s.html

That goes for Baker as well.

He was the guinea pig for the question marks, the non-changing outfits...and the electonic music scores...

(Although, I do like the scores for the Davison and Colin Baker era; not so much for the Tom Baker era. I prefer the one he initially started with).

yeah that was sarcasm, and basically why does the focus need to be on race..from both the fan side, and the director, who seemed to me like he was doing some sort of multicultural affirmative action.. and product placement..only he used race, and sexual preference to do so..

I much prefer the direction of Moffat..if a character happens to be black then so be it..but not overly placing an interracial couple off and on throughout the series..Oh yeah in case you forgot, and oh yeah just incase you forgot again, and oh once more just so you know...

I think that if I were to take USS Bones' Logic and apply it to the show, then why aren't there any discussions of how Jackie was treated?? Women who aren't attractive anymore, are degraded and made to feel stupid and ignorant..

yet no one complains about that do they?? Nope, it is the same stuff over and over, Minority treated like this, and Homosexual bashing that..

thicken up that hide, and get over it.. sheesh!

I hope not to derail this thread too much, but is this post saying that whenever there is a questionable portrayal of a person of color, gender, or sexual orientation that the viewer (or whomever is making the observation) should just 'thicken up that hide and get over it'?

Certain things to need to be brought out in the open, I think...(Depending on portrayals or circumstances, of course)...

yeah but the beauty was that mickey started idiotic and became a force for good, and a hero.. it is a classic story theme no matter what race you are..

I do agree with that....

 

[starsuperion]

A more subtle actor? What does that even mean? You seem to be seeing a careful, nuanced, multi-layered performance where no one else does. I'm not denying Davison's a good actor. He was very convinving in the role of the Doctor. Sadly, that Doctor had a personality to match his silly beige costume. Your fondness of his Doctor seems only to be based on having watched him at the time.

You can blame Davison, Baker and McCoy's outfits on JNT none of them wore what they wanted to wear in the part.

http://www.shannonsullivan.com/drwho/serials/6s.html

That goes for Baker as well.

He was the guinea pig for the question marks, the non-changing outfits...and the electonic music scores...

(Although, I do like the scores for the Davison and Colin Baker era; not so much for the Tom Baker era. I prefer the one he initially started with).

I hope not to derail this thread too much, but is this post saying that whenever there is a questionable portrayal of a person of color, gender, or sexual orientation that the viewer (or whomever is making the observation) should just 'thicken up that hide and get over it'?

Certain things to need to be brought out in the open, I think...(Depending on portrayals or circumstances, of course)...

yeah but the beauty was that mickey started idiotic and became a force for good, and a hero.. it is a classic story theme no matter what race you are..

I do agree with that....

thanks Joel, you are an awesome guy...
And oh yeah, you may happen to be black..

 

[starsuperion]

okay to separate the thread and get back to these cool reviews and such.. of which I am very grateful for, since most of you tell us which you have watched and describe briefly why it was good or bad, and then others chime in and give us who have yet to watch, food for thought..

So to all you brilliant people out there, thanks from me. I love this thread!!

as to the most recent show I watched, Underworld..

I am kinda on the fence, I have only seen a bit of it, and the beginning was excellent, but the underground world seems sooooo fake..just poor green screen work.. it's very hard to watch..

I am assuming a small budget to film in a quarry with caves was not in the plan since the Minyos spaceship most definitely took up the cost..

SO, again, I am on the fence, so to speak..

I may start to rewatch, only I hope the scenery gets better...

 

[Captain Pike]

Davison spent a lot of time shouting down the bolshy air hostess don't forget. He also incorporated a lot of previous Doctors within his performance. He's just a more subtle actor, and as Moffat says, probably one of the best actors to play the role in the classic series, as evidenced by one of the few who actually had a consistant career post Doctor Who.

I agree that Davo is a good actor, generally speaking. However, his impersonations of Hartnell and Troughton during his post-regenerative trauma in Castrovalva were pretty rank, imo.