Stopped and Searched under Terrorism Act!
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CaptainHawk1
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Hugo I find this discussion fascinating and I haven't chimed on UK law because I don't know it but I was biting my tongue over the issue of providing false information to the police re: identity but the laws are the same in the U.S. You can't provide false ID to the police and you can't lie to them during the course of an investigation, and yes, any time that the police stop you and question you it is an investigation.Pingfah: I'd go with basically none. Giving false particulars can lead to arrest and detention to ascertain a subjects identity. However, that would only honestly only happen for a relevant criminal offence, or if the officer feels you are deliberately giving a false name etc to cover your identity on the Police National Computer checks carried out by officers on the street (to find out if the subject is wanted/missing). Any other time and they'll just roll their eyes and say "try again".
In criminal-related matters (investigation) you are by law obliged to give your details. If it's a civil matter then you can give nothing. If I recall, an officer will prefer to walk away with full particulars on a S44 Terrorism stop (because we're anal perfectionists on the whole), but if it's just an account then technically (because there is no offence) the MoP can walk away giving nothing and the officer will write it up accordingly. On a search Police Officers are by law required to fill out the form fully with all of the subject's details.
Hugo - trying to not get ambushed here
-Shawn
I ran (literally) into a situation a few years ago in Los Angeles, probably also as a result of how I was clothed. I was at LAX to catch a flight back to Toronto, and spent over an hour in line at the Air Canada terminal only to find out that it was a code-share with another airline, and I was at the wrong terminal. Since this was in February, and February gets quite cold in Toronto, I was wearing my winter coat (despite the fact that the previous day I'd been out and about in a T-shirt and shorts), so by the time I got to the correct terminal, I had worked up quite a sweat.
This was after I'd started highlighting my hair blond, but before I'd gotten my current passport. My photo in the old passport shows me with dark hair and a full beard.
So:
- sweating, slightly out of breath
- wearing a winter coat in fairly mild temperatures
- carrying a passport whose photo doesn't match my current appearance and in which I have dark hair and a beard
Imagine how I got treated when I arrived, only about 30 minutes before boarding, at the El Al check-in counter...
You're right, Hugo, I've just doubled checked it was 44(2). He was on foot. It was the BT Police who asked him to stop, not the Met. Thanks for all the interesting information and insight, by the way.
Seriously?
I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this.
I used to use Canary Wharf everyday to get to work and as it's the banking district I'd be at risk of getting stopped all the time especially with a backpack so after 7/7 I stopped using the tube and have driven to work everyday, saves me getting stopped and it's more comfortably then the stinky boiling hot tube.
Get a Swaine-Adeney-Brigg bridle hide briefcase. They'll be so awestruck, they won't DARE to stop you!
Yeah those briefcase's look nice but I think I'd be too scared I'd damage it with it being so expensive (need to save up as well)!
I think in the 10 or so stops I have had only one has fully explained S44 properly and was in general a nice chap, how do you compliment an officer Hugo, is there an online form or something?
Woah. I've heard of them. *El Al*...The most badass airline in the world. I'm surprised you're here now.
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Wait a tic. You were flying from L.A. to Toronto, yes? Why did they put you on El Al, an Israeli airline?
I went to an air show at Lackland AFB this last fall. As I was entering the flight line check point I told the air police I would set off the metal detector when I walked through. I handed the officer my medical card and stepped thru. For the next 30 minutes I was being checked by pat down and hand held wand. You'd have thought they found a gun on me the way they were searching me. The young Lieutenant couldn't believe I had two total hip replacements and thought I was packing a gun. I was starting to think the strip search was next. 
When was that? I would have thought 30 odd years of stopping and asking for ID would have kept them up to date on licences.
TheLonelySquire
Vice Admiral
Do you guys have a problem with it?
You would think so, wouldn't you? The only reason he was unarrested was because a Glasgow cop was working over there and pointed out to the stupid cow that his licence was entirely in order.
Don't have a problem helping the officers learn their job. Understand that this is the state of the world, but probably not massively keen that folks can be stopped and searched. Conflicted, really.
Get a Swaine-Adeney-Brigg bridle hide briefcase. They'll be so awestruck, they won't DARE to stop you!
Yeah those briefcase's look nice but I think I'd be too scared I'd damage it with it being so expensive (need to save up as well)!
Damaging it just adds to the patina that it will develop with age. Win-Win.
With you on the cost though. I'm saving my pennies for one... some day...
I don't know. Start with something about their eyes maybe? Then move onto the flattering uniform?
Get a Swaine-Adeney-Brigg bridle hide briefcase. They'll be so awestruck, they won't DARE to stop you!
Yeah those briefcase's look nice but I think I'd be too scared I'd damage it with it being so expensive (need to save up as well)!
Damaging it just adds to the patina that it will develop with age. Win-Win.
With you on the cost though. I'm saving my pennies for one... some day...
I prefer the Wrap-Round Strap Document Case, myself.
I don't know. Start with something about their eyes maybe? Then move onto the flattering uniform?
No, you've got to start by telling them how big their helmet is.
Hugo, thanks for all the good info.
Damaging it just adds to the patina that it will develop with age. Win-Win.
With you on the cost though. I'm saving my pennies for one... some day...
I prefer the Wrap-Round Strap Document Case, myself.
I've never really got into that style of case. Attache all the way for me!
How old is yours? From the examples I've seen (sadly, I lack one of my own), they start to look really beautiful after about 5 years and stunning by about 10 years old, provided they're conditioned a bit occasionally.
I don't know. Start with something about their eyes maybe? Then move onto the flattering uniform?
No, you've got to start by telling them how big their helmet is.
Well, I cede to your greater experience in this area.
I've never really got into that style of case. Attache all the way for me!
How old is yours? From the examples I've seen (sadly, I lack one of my own), they start to look really beautiful after about 5 years and stunning by about 10 years old, provided they're conditioned a bit occasionally.
I don't have one, just saying I preferred the style. Maybe someday.
Well, I cede to your greater experience in this area.No, you've got to start by telling them how big their helmet is.
So you're saying I have a big helmet, then?
HOLY SHIT THEY MAKE INDY HATS!
That reminds me, I once got hassled by two Red Baiters just for surviving a nuclear explosion.
The more things change....
The more things change....
Woah. I've heard of them. *El Al*...The most badass airline in the world. I'm surprised you're here now.
So am I.
Wait a tic. You were flying from L.A. to Toronto, yes? Why did they put you on El Al, an Israeli airline?
The flight to Tel Aviv had a stopover in Toronto. The flight I booked through the Air Canada website just happened to be that one - I hadn't realized it when I booked the flight, or I might have chosen a different one.
I don't quite understand why airlines have code-shares - if the plane says "Air Canada" on the outside, and the pilots and flight attendants are Air Canada employees, then for all intents and purposes it's an Air Canada flight. What purpose does it serve to stick another airline's name into the computer for the same flight?
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