STILL no nuTrek novels?

[Admiral_Young]

It is a rather peculiar thing to have happen. I would have liked it had them come out but am not really concerned about it. I suspect as was suggested that they could be waiting until after the sequel comes out. They seem to be very protective over this new continuity and what is marketed and what isn't which is understandable. For the writers of the four books, I would like us to be able to see what they had written. Cancelled books isn't good for anyone.

 

[Cadet49]

I actually prefer that the producers keep the creative control over the nuTrek universe, and limit the amount of tie-ins, for now. I remember back in the 1980s being annoyed when I would go and buy comics about the TOS crew, only to have all the stories contradicted by the next movie - sure, the writers would do their best to explain the changes ( as they tried to do between ST III and Star Trek IV), but it kind of made me feel sometimes like I had wasted my money ... this was also a problem when TNG was on the air ... a novel would come out, I'd buy it, then the story would be completely contradicted by a later episode. Yes, I know all novels are not canon, and can be enjoyed as unique interpretations of the Trek universe, but I still felt a bit annoyed that I had spend the money ... (Example: after Star Trek V, when DC Comics decided to abandon their whole Trek comic storyline and start over ... Konom the Klingon on the Enterprise-A was contradicted when TNG first aired and established that Worf was the first Klingon in Starfleet, etc.).

No, I'm fine with the studio limiting tie-in fiction until more background detail has been established on film about this new Trek universe. :-)

 

[Cadet49]

I believe Abrams and his Cohorts are supervising the upcoming comic series and video game, which explains why they're going ahead.

Don't know why they don't do something similar with novels though.

Maybe it's a lot easier to skim through a draft of a comic book storyline as opposed to lengthy novel drafts, if the movie people are trying to maintain some creative control over the tie-in fiction?

 

[Therin of Andor]

It's never been an issue before when comics/novels clash with the on-screen product.

 

[Therin of Andor]

It is a rather peculiar thing to have happen.

No, it's happened before. Under Ricard Arnold's regime and beyond, with the DC TNG comics. The ST Office, and then Viacom Licensing, were frustrated trying to advise on corrections to proposals and completed manuscripts to tight deadlines when the show itself was moving through storylines so fast. I recall it was also a problem for early DS9 and VOY novels.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

I wouldn't say he's worried. More like, understandably confused.

Well, from what Kingdaniel has written on the subject, it would seem he is worried about the situation and getting himself worked up about the lack of four books and the lack of information on the subject and from this very comment you certainly are though:

I don't get it either. And it bothers the heck outta me.

I've articulated myself incorrectly on the matter and I've given off the wrong impression then.

 

[DimesDan]

What the fuck is your problem? It's just a question, this is a message board... seems like a natural combination to me.

And I put my opinion across. As I originally said, there are probably reasons, very good reasons in the eyes of the powers that be that are dealing with the novels that these have been either cancelled outright or just put in a cupboard somewhere to see the light of day at another date.

It's something, like the bring back Janeway threads that get discussed here from time to time. No new answers are revealed in those threads and I'd bet that no new answers to the possibility of these releases will be revealed in this thread.

Dimesdan, I suggest you take a break from the forum and get yourself together. You seem to having some sort of issue that's causing you to be a bit abrupt.

Please don't take this as an insult. Instead take this as friendly advice.

No insult taken. I'm perfectly fine and have no issues to speak of.

I've articulated myself incorrectly on the matter and I've given off the wrong impression then.

Evidently.

 

[F. King Daniel]

It is a rather peculiar thing to have happen.

No, it's happened before. Under Ricard Arnold's regime and beyond, with the DC TNG comics. The ST Office, and then Viacom Licensing, were frustrated trying to advise on corrections to proposals and completed manuscripts to tight deadlines when the show itself was moving through storylines so fast. I recall it was also a problem for early DS9 and VOY novels.

That's not an issue here. Even if they want all the tie-ins to be fully coordinated, all they have to do is say to an author "TOS episodes X, Y and Z sorta happened" to sync with the comics, and give brief synopsis of the forthcoming videogame and movie. And since IDW know a little of the next movie (their nu-"Galileo Seven" has "direct links" to it, apparently) as do EA (their game is a prequel, and part of the nuTrek canon), there should be no reason Pocket can't have a similar arrangement.

 

[Admiral_Young]

@Therin, except this would seem to be an entirely different case than the example that you indicated. The books were announced, the writers wrote them (or in varying stages of being completed) then all of a sudden they were cancelled without explanation. I'm not saying that an explanation is required but it does seem like it is a different case than what has or hasn't happened before.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Evidently.

Exactomundo.

 

[Christopher]

(Example: after Star Trek V, when DC Comics decided to abandon their whole Trek comic storyline and start over ... Konom the Klingon on the Enterprise-A was contradicted when TNG first aired and established that Worf was the first Klingon in Starfleet, etc.).

It wasn't DC's decision to retool the series. Richard Arnold, Roddenberry's assistant who had approval over the tie-ins, didn't like the direction of the comics, so he got Paramount to withdraw the license. That actually happened before ST V came out (though while it was in production). Arnold's problems weren't specifically with contradictions with TNG; he just didn't like the tie-ins having any continuity or ongoing characters of their own, because he felt it overshadowed the central cast. Indeed, at the time, I'm pretty sure there was no canonical proof that Worf was the first Klingon in Starfleet; I can't find any confirmation of that until DS9's "The Sword of Kahless." So as of 1988/9, it would've theoretically been possible to reconcile Konom's existence with Worf's. (Indeed, Peter David's TNG novel Strike Zone is a stealth sequel to his aborted storyline from the first DC series and features the character who was Konom and Bryce's adopted son, albeit under a different name, Kobry, that was derived from "Konom" and "Bryce"). But Arnold didn't want any recurring characters stealing the spotlight from Kirk's Seven, so Konom had to go along with all the rest.

After a year of negotiations, DC got the license back and started fresh with the ST V adaptation followed by a new series (and also got a license for an ongoing TNG series at the same time). Peter David attempted to introduce new recurring characters (originally meant to be Arex and M'Ress, but Arnold nixed TAS references so they were hastily redrawn as new characters) and story arcs, but had to drop them after the first 12 issues and left the title soon thereafter, recognizing that he and Arnold just couldn't see eye to eye and the comic would be better off if it weren't caught between them.

 

[The Wormhole]

^^I thought Heart of Glory established Worf was the first Klingon serving in Starfleet?

 

[Christopher]

^^I thought Heart of Glory established Worf was the first Klingon serving in Starfleet?

Not quite.

http://www.chakoteya.net/NextGen/120.htm

KORRIS: I did not know there were Klingons serving on human Starfleet vessels.
WORF: As far as I know, I am the only one.

"The only one" doesn't automatically mean "the first one." Just the only one currently. (A lot of people have made the same mistake about Spock over the years -- confusing "only Vulcan on the Enterprise" with "first Vulcan ever to join Starfleet.")

 

[JWolf]

Dimesdan, I suggest you take a break from the forum and get yourself together. You seem to having some sort of issue that's causing you to be a bit abrupt.

Please don't take this as an insult. Instead take this as friendly advice.

No insult taken. I'm perfectly fine and have no issues to speak of.

I do think your avatar is highly inappropriate for this forum.

 

[DimesDan]

Dimesdan, I suggest you take a break from the forum and get yourself together. You seem to having some sort of issue that's causing you to be a bit abrupt.

Please don't take this as an insult. Instead take this as friendly advice.

No insult taken. I'm perfectly fine and have no issues to speak of.

I do think your avatar is highly inappropriate for this forum.

How so?

This is a PG 13 board, now, I may be completely out of touch with the average teenager now a days, but when I was 13, we discussed it from time to time, we knew full well what it was and even par-took in it occasionally on an individual basis and called it far worse things.

Or is it because James Bond has a really bad soup catcher atop his upper lip?

 

[David cgc]

KORRIS: I did not know there were Klingons serving on human Starfleet vessels.
WORF: As far as I know, I am the only one.

"The only one" doesn't automatically mean "the first one." Just the only one currently. (A lot of people have made the same mistake about Spock over the years -- confusing "only Vulcan on the Enterprise" with "first Vulcan ever to join Starfleet.")

You could also parse out the "human Starfleet vessels" as an implication of the fan-theory that there were other starships that had crews that were mostly one or another species, and Korris could know there were Klingons in Starfleet serving aboard ships with, say, Andorian-majority crews. Never mind the "As far as I know" out. Maybe Worf's just bad about keeping up with Fleet gossip.

 

[Squiggy]

No insult taken. I'm perfectly fine and have no issues to speak of.

I do think your avatar is highly inappropriate for this forum.

How so?

This is a PG 13 board, now, I may be completely out of touch with the average teenager now a days, but when I was 13, we discussed it from time to time, we knew full well what it was and even par-took in it occasionally on an individual basis and called it far worse things.

Or is it because James Bond has a really bad soup catcher atop his upper lip?

HIS MUSTACHE IS AN OUTRAGE. OUTRAGE!!!!!

 

[FatherRob]

Or is it because James Bond has a really bad soup catcher atop his upper lip?

That's Daniel Craig??? Holy crap! I thought it was a younger photo of Lech Wałęsa! I couldn't for the life of me figure out what he had to do with the subject matter at hand. For that matter, I can't figure out what Daniel Craig has to do with it either... but he sure looks, urm... different.

Mystery solved.

Rob+

 

[ChristopherPike]

Now, you see... if that issue had had Roger Moore on the cover, that would've been even funnier.

Just the thing you'd find lying around a Doctor's waiting room. Large print edition, naturally.

 

[LightningStorm]

I do think your avatar is highly inappropriate for this forum.

How about we leave things like this up to the mods/admin of the board to decide. You already brought it to our attention, the lack of action should indicate that nothing is wrong with that av. Nor, BTW, is anything wrong with your av which could be argued is more risque than his.