Still confused by Trek XI and "canon"/continuity

[Jon1701]

middyseafort said:
As long as there's a ship called Enterprise, a captain named Kirk, a Vulcan named Spock, a cranky Doctor named McCoy and damn good story, the hell with canon and continuity.

Agree 100%

Trek has been violating its own canon since it began. When people sat down to write episodes, they never imagined each line would be pulled apart years down the line. They just tried to write a good story.

The right wing anti-berman/bragaist crowd jump upon the canon bandwagon every time like its a recent thing. TOS contridicted itself week to week. Back before video recorders were around, honestly - who gave a shit? Frankly, it was only till TNG came along that they made a vague attempt to hang the thing together at all.

Theres simply no point worrying about this stuff any more. Sadly, theres no pleasing some people. Come late December 08, you'll get threads entitled:

"Kirks hair was parted on the wrong side"

"The lights blinked in the wrong pattern"

"The helm console was 0.05 degrees too far to the right"



Look folks, just let it go. Lets just have a good movie.

 

[Kegek]

jon1701 said:
Look folks, just let it go. Lets just have a good movie.

Well, I'd rather sit down, watch a good movie, have a blast, then go onto the TrekBBS and wade through 'Spock's Eyebrows Weren't The Right Kind of Yak Hair! ' threads.

Can't we have our cake and eat it? The crazed dash to dot all the Is, cross all the Ts, but mainly to moan about them is a hallowed sport on the TrekBBS. I'm sure there will be plenty of serious discussion about oh, I don't know, drama, special effects, the script, the cinematography, the score, and so on.

 

[Jon1701]

Oh, I'll probably be there as well. Just to tell people to stop being so silly.

[william shatner on SNL] Its just a TV show...[/william shatner on SNL]

 

[T'Cal]

I fear that the Trek fans will be the most critical of all who view this film when it comes out. We will be our own worst enemy pointing out the minutae that others will roll their eyes at saying, "But it was a great movie with a fun story, terrific spfx, and very good acting." They'll say other things like, "That young guy who played Kirk was really good, not as hammy as Shatner, but that new Spock was spot on!" The fans will say goofy stuff like, "The uniforms were the wrong shade of colors," and "the Enterprise made the wrong sound when it went to warp." Probably, the general movie going audience will thoroghly enjoy it while the nitpicking fanatics will pan it every chance they get. Proof? There are some panning it already despite the fact that not one frame has been filmed nor the entire cast been set. To paraphrase John Winger from Stripes, "There's something wrong with that. Something seriously wrong with that!"

 

[23skidoo]

middyseafort said:
As long as there's a ship called Enterprise, a captain named Kirk, a Vulcan named Spock, a cranky Doctor named McCoy and damn good story, the hell with canon and continuity.

Unfortunately "Enterprise" tried that and was slapped down soundly by the fanbase, even when they did episodes that were actually (gasp!) given good reviews. Prime example being the Borg episode "Regeneration" which was given generally good reviews, but caused outright anger from the fan community. When that guy posted on the Trek BBS that he had smashed his TV upon hearing the spoilers about the episode -- and later confirmed that he wasn't exaggerating -- that was for me the point where Trek fandom somewhat Jumped the Shark. Since then I've pretty much expected negative reactions to anything that goes against status quo ... I've yet to be proven wrong, whether regarding Enterprise or Trek XI.

I think a definitive statement -- spoiler be damned -- needs to be made by Abrams or the writers before the inevitable plot and script leaks occur. Otherwise we'll end up with a year's worth of bad word-of-mouth of the type that was primarily responsible for Nemesis crashing and burning.

If they come out and say "yes, this is supposed to be 100% canon" and then give us a redesigned Enterprise, or early missions without Mitchell, etc. then at least the criticisms can be grounded. If they turn around and say "no it's a reimagining/reboot" or even "alternate timeline" which is a new wrinkle I'm just hearing about, then yes there will be bitching and complaining, but after that initial wave I think the fanbase will relax and say "OK, this is a new Star Trek, so let's give it a shot" rather than spending the next 14 months or so complaining that the NCC-1701 isn't supposed to have a third nacelle or whatever...

Cheers!

Alex

 

[Holytomato]

NCC-1701 uses its 3rd nacelle to go into/out of warp- Star Tre: First Contact style