Steve McGarrett Commands The Enterprise???
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Jack Lord was 42 when "Hawaii 5-O" started. He told his wife that H/5-O was his last chance of achieving stardom. He was a perfectionist on the set, and very demanding of his cast and crew. One former H/5-O crew member sarcastically called him "The Lord". The producers of ST might have transported him into inter-space if he was ever cast as Captain Kirk.
^ Well, he certainly was right. After Hawaii 5-O, he kind of disappeared off TV and did nothing in the movies. He did have a fairly good assortment of work prior to H5O, but I can't find anything really noteworthy. Thomas Gibson (Criminal Minds) reminds me a little of his demeanor on H5O...
Sadly for Jack, he passed away a age 77 due to Alzheimer's. He was reputed to be quite a philanthropist and did rather well financially.
Sadly for Jack, he passed away a age 77 due to Alzheimer's. He was reputed to be quite a philanthropist and did rather well financially.
"The Man Trap" was actually Shatner's fifth episode filmed, but even then there was really no difference between the way Kirk and Pike were written back then. Kirk was just as fairly a serious character in his initial episodes as Jeffrey Hunter's Pike was in the first pilot.
"The Corbomite Maneuver" really wasn't Shatner's first episode, but rather his second (his first was the second pilot episode, "Where No Man Has Gone Before."
Pike also playfully teased with Doctor Boyce--more than once really.
Not really though. In those early episodes, Kirk was depicted as something of a stick-in-the-mud--a former "stack of books with legs"--with an occasional Hamlet tendency and an inclination to be very business-like. That didn't mean he was completely humorless--not even Jeffrey Hunter's Pike was that as I mentioned above--but the two characters were initially interchangeable very early in the series. The more cavalier, sometimes irreverent, "bad boy" Kirk didn't emerge until later.
A lot later, actually.
Yup. During TOS, Kirk more often than not toed the company line and did things by the book. But starting with TWOK, we were introduced to a Kirk that was indeed a bad boy--someone who wasn't above cheating to win a test at the Academy, would willfully disregard a direct order from the Starfleet C-in-C himself, and even steal a starship from Spacedock.
Lord was an excellent actor, my perception of him based strictly on his portrayal of Steve McGarrett. He may have done an adequate, possibly even good job as Kirk, however it is my feeling NOBODY would have brought the same level of zeal and energy to the role of Kirk as did Shatner. Nobody.
Shatner made Kirk his own.
Shatner made Kirk his own.
Shatner said in his book Star Trek Memories that it was easy to portray Kirk, since his character was just an idealized version of Shatner himself.
I never said that "The Corbomite Maneuver" was Shatner's first episode. I said "The Corbomite Maneuver" was the first episode filmed in the series, meaning it was the first episode filmed after the 2 pilot episodes.
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Shatner is of the opinion that it's impossible, at least for him, to maintain a made-up character over the course of a series; sooner or later, you wind up playing yourself, whether by choice or fatigue. I suppose one could cite Leonard Nimoy and the myriad of personal problems that resulted from him playing Spock as a prime example of why Shatner took the smarter approach.
^ Shatner also joked that he liked the ST episodes such as "The Enemy Within" where there were 2 Kirks because then he got twice as much screen time.
The point is that "The Man Trap" wasn't the first time Shatner played Kirk. It may have been the first episode aired, but it wasn't the first episode Shatner did (he did four before that).
Actually, you didn't say that at all. You didn't exclude the pilots:
No mention of the pilots being excluded in there (which I don't exclude as filmed episodes in the series--the first pilot was re-edited into another episode and the second pilot was aired as the third episode).Navigator_NCC2120 said:
Anyway, asked and answered, move along, counselor...
Agreed on both counts.
Not as McGarrett but I think being more stoic and serious could have made scenes such as Tribbles even funnier.
We probably wouldn't have gotten the logical, unemotional Vulcans, if they'd gotten Lord to play the captain and he played him like McGarrett, because Nimoy would've been inclined to play Spock more emotionally, not less.
I never said "The Man Trap" was the first time Shatner played Kirk either I said it was the premiere episode meaning it was the first episode aired on television not the first episode filmed in the series.
The pilots were used to sell the show to the NBC televison network so Star Trek was not a series until the second pilot sold the show. Pilots are shot before a show becomes a series, pilots are used to sell a show to a television network. So when I said "The Corbomite Manuever" was the first episode filmed in the the series it means that NBC bought the show and the show was now a series at that point. NBC could have decided to reject the second pilot and there would be no series. There is really no need to continue to post about this.
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Then why did you even bring up "The Man Trap" when I talked about Shatner first playing the role? All I said was that it wasn't the first time he played the role.
And the second pilot was included in the show. They didn't discard it--they made it part of the series instead.
And in some instances, pilots are indeed used in a series. In some instances, they're not. In others, the pilots are completely reshot with any tweaks and improvements that are deemed necessary.
What you meant you didn't say originally. But I also don't consider "The Corbomite Maneuver" as the first episode filmed in the series, especially given that the second pilot actually aired before it.
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C. E. Evans,
I understand why you misunderstood my initial post.
I think we can both agree that "The Corbomite Maneuver" was the third Star Trek episode filmed by Desilu Studios.
I think we can also agree that "The Corbomite Maneuver" was also the first Star Trek episode filmed during the weekly production of the series by Desilu Studios.
So, over the years in this forum or possibly other forums I have seen the use of the phrases:
I too consider the 2 pilot episodes as part of the Star Trek show as a whole, I just don't think of the 2 pilot episodes as part of the weekly production of the show.
I hope this helps clear up the matter.
Live long and prosper,
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I understand why you misunderstood my initial post.
I think we can both agree that "The Corbomite Maneuver" was the third Star Trek episode filmed by Desilu Studios.
I think we can also agree that "The Corbomite Maneuver" was also the first Star Trek episode filmed during the weekly production of the series by Desilu Studios.
So, over the years in this forum or possibly other forums I have seen the use of the phrases:
- "in the weekly production of the series"
- "in the production of the series"
- "in the series"
I too consider the 2 pilot episodes as part of the Star Trek show as a whole, I just don't think of the 2 pilot episodes as part of the weekly production of the show.
I hope this helps clear up the matter.
Live long and prosper,
Navigator NCC-2120 USS Entente
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