^Why did you buy all three?
And why didn't you buy the iPad too?
And why didn't you buy the iPad too?
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Am I the only one that doesn't think that? It's fine for an artist to have a preference for how their art is experienced but I genuinely don't think they have a moral right to enforce that, beyond the restrictions needed for them to make a living.
The minute an artist wants to lock a piece of art away, stop people viewing it how they want, using it, remixing it and so forth then it's no longer art in my eyes, and nor are they an artist.
They're 'content producers' making 'content'.
Is there really anyone here that's never made a mixtape?
That's the exciting thing about ebooks actually, the idea of book remixes and people being able to do so much more with the form...
ST-One
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I wanted the KindleDX when I saw that it became available for Europe.
When I've come across the Nook, I really liked what I learned about it and just had to have it - and I like it better than the Kindle.
The NookColor is just a nice toy - it's a good reader, a nice web-browsing device, good for watching videos while on the train.
Too expensive, too large to be used as a reader, too tied to Apple (though the NC is tied to B&N, it can easily be soft-rooted to open its Android system up and untie it).
This is the one reason I've consider getting a Nook Color. My wife has one and loves it, but does more than just read with it.
For pure reading, I much more prefer the Kindle over the Nook Color, but I wouldn't mind rooting a Nook Color and just turning into an Android tablet PC for around the house. Probably never read on it, but would very cool for lots of other apps.
They're for different markets anyways.
Back on topic, I think that the big publishers need to figure out how to make eBooks work fast otherwise they'll be left in the dust. The smaller presses (such as Crossroads) are clearly more adaptable.
Back on topic, I think that the big publishers need to figure out how to make eBooks work fast otherwise they'll be left in the dust. The smaller presses (such as Crossroads) are clearly more adaptable.
To be frank, I can and do see both sides of the debate.
Philosophically, Once you release art into the world, it becomes a part of the world in essence, to influence or itself become a part of future art forms. People want to experience these treasures and enjoy them without restriction.
Legally, the art is the intellectual property of the artist (and/or client it's created for) and therefore is under the control of the artist in terms of presentation and format. If you want it, you have to meet their terms and conditions.
Realistically however, the world isn't fair. Art isn't free for unlimited consumption or as easy to acquire and enjoy as it could be and simultaneously consumers have the ability to get ANYTHING they'd normally have to pay for, online without having to meet the conditions of the Artist/Publisher for unlimited consumption, but there are usually flaws. (Bootlegs, OCRs, Cams, low-rez scans.)
kkozoriz1
Fleet Captain
On a related note, someone has created a device that is like a VD ripper for books. Doesn't look like something everyone will use but there's enough people that will scan and upload pretty much anything. The genie is out of the bottle.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20028279-261.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20028279-261.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20
That actually made me really sad.
Look, I know I've been pretty pessimistic about the issue in this forum, and that does reflect my actual views. But I will tell you, I have a friend who used to download HEAPS of music and films illegally, and basically a guilted him and said: "So, you're a fan of this band, but you won't even spring them $19 for a CD? You know you're basically ensuring they won't be able to make another album, right?" and now he doesn't steal music anymore, and I've actually heard him making the same argument to others.
So basically, if there's going to be a bulwark against piracy, it's going to be up to us to make it, out of our friends. Basically, if you see a friend with a pirated work, tell them you are not cool with it. You don't need to be OTT about it, just say: "If you like that, you should support the creator of it by purchasing it.", particularly if it's music, fiction, or independant film-makers, all of whom get by on very little.
It's up to us to keep our values alive, and spread them where we can. I don't hold out much hope that we can keep information from being considered free by the next generation, but y'know, a light in the darkness and so on.
Imagine if every creator of music, books, art, etc suddenly went on strike en masse. 
It's just not going to happen and it's an even harder idea to make stick during a recession. Here in the UK, ever day has a story about someone laying off thousands of people.
Imagine if every creator of music, books, art, etc suddenly went on strike en masse.
They'd starve, while we'd listen/watch/read older material for a while. Perhaps not the best plan?
In any event, would that be to try to punish US for being pirates, or the INDUSTRY for not adapting to the world, and helping create that environment.
The music industry mostly figured it out, places like iTunes are doing great, and you don't hear much about music piracy anymore. The publishing industry will eventually join the 21st century, they're only 11 years behind, so easy to catch up...
Well...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8420484.stm
However my argument has always been that there are some people you simply cannot get to paid and it's a waste of time chasing them, better to concentrate (via itunes and other means) to the people who will pay. Does it suck that they steal the stuff? Yes, can anyone really do anything about it? no.
Reading this, my first thought was that she should try to provide her book for download for like 99 cents on her website, and also ask for donations, like Christopher does. If there's really 800 downloads per week...
Imagine if every creator of music, books, art, etc suddenly went on strike en masse.
Given the current state of music ATM I wish they would stop :P
Obviously there's no way to check if he's right or not, but author Peter Watts did this with his novel Blindsight (which at the time was selling very poorly) and he credits that move completely with getting the book into the public eye, eventually getting it Hugo-nominated, and right now Tor.com is doing a freeform (write any list you want) poll for best SFF novel of the past decade, and that book is 12th.
There's something to be said for the idea, it would appear.
People are willing to pay. But they are only willing to pay a reasonable amount. This is what the Agency 5 do not understand. They don't understand that you take qa product that's selling well and raise the price because all that happens is sales drop. The publisher is harming the author by causing sales to drop.
So really, it's the Agency 5 causing most of the problem. I'm not saying it's right to then take the eBooks, but it's also not right to inflate the prices beyond what people will pay or can afford.
Another interesting author who discusses the "piracy" of novels and film is Cory Doctorow. He actually favors fewer intellectual copywrite laws and the removal of DRM restrictions form software. He does believe that authors should be compensated but also feels that the way in which films and novels are sold at this point is outdated. Essentially, as we move into a post-scarcity world in which content is not delivered on a specific medium (such as paper novel or plastic DVD), we can obtain content without depriving another of the very same content. Therefore, thinking of intellectual property in the same way as physical property is errant thinking. In fact, he would argue that the more a book or film is spread, the better it can be for an author. There no longer has to be "middle men" controlling what content can get published, nor profiting unfairly from the work of others, and because of this the work can be spread at almost (or literally) no cost.
He has his own website and there is a wikipedia page on him of course. I would attach links but am too lazy to look up the rules around that, so anyone interested can google it. If interested, I also have his essay
Content: Selected Essays on Technology, Creativity, Copyright, and the Future of the Future (September, 2008). I can e-mail it for anyone interested.
He has his own website and there is a wikipedia page on him of course. I would attach links but am too lazy to look up the rules around that, so anyone interested can google it. If interested, I also have his essay
Content: Selected Essays on Technology, Creativity, Copyright, and the Future of the Future (September, 2008). I can e-mail it for anyone interested.
Oh goody, like online fanfic, where no one believes they need the help of an editor, a designer or a publisher.
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