STC Ep. 8: "Still Treads The Shadow" rating and discussion....
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How is that interesting?
They seem to be a touch more critical.
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That's not necessarily good or bad, just a different community. I can be quite critical of fan productions, but I did like this episode from STC, and rated it "Good."
Liked it would have worked better if it fleshed out the A.I.s backstory/ decent into madness but of course there wasn't time
Interestedly STC continues has outlasted JJtrek
Personally I much prefer STC and look forward to more to come
Interestedly STC continues has outlasted JJtrek
Personally I much prefer STC and look forward to more to come
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Star Trek Continues has not "outlasted" the Abrams films. What an absurd comparison to make.
What other good boards are there? I always a looking for new things to read and opinions to discuss.
There is a small board I visit called Treknographics 101. It's a bit more Treknology oriented but, of course, they discuss all kinds of things.
Byrne's Robotocs and Hobbytalk are other sites that talk about Trek and SF.
First movie came out in 2009, Beyond came out last year. For those playing the home game, that's 7 years. STC will have ran 5 years by the time the final episode premieres. Even without knowing when the fourth JJ film comes out, basic math shows the JJ-verse has been around longer.
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No, math disagrees with you. "Pilgrim of Eternity" aired in May of 2013, and is currently preparing its last handful of episodes, slated to be released this year, maybe early next year at the latest, for a grand total of about 5 years.
Star Trek (2009) was released in 2009. Star Trek Beyond came out in 2016, for a grand total of 7 years, assuming there will not be another Abrams Trek film. Of course, Simon Pegg has already hinted that work on the fourth installment of the film series has already begun. While some people like to lament the death of Star Trek Beyond's performance, the film still made $343 million worldwide, which was only $40 million less than Star Trek (2009). Considering that 2016 was an awful year for a great many films, it is likely that Paramount will take that into consideration, and indeed they likely already have, hence why Pegg is already at work on the next script, and why it's being floated in Variety that Chris Hemsworth will appear in the 4th installment of the blockbuster franchise.
Now, perhaps we should get back to discussing the topic of this thread, rather than taking more whacks at a very dead horse?
Exactly this.
I already sort of gave my opinion, but I rated it "fair." I waffled on this a bit at first. After initially giving it a "fair" rating, I changed my vote to "good" (possibly because I worried I was being too harsh and/or possibly because I panicked when I realized I was the first person to vote), but then decided to stick by my convictions and went back to my original rating after more people had had a chance to see the episode and rate it. Not only did I find the episode derivative, I was bored for the majority of its duration.
Maybe you shouldn't put too much stock in what I think; I've had trouble maintaining focus on anything lately or deriving much enjoyment from certain stuff. I was intrigued by the story to begin with. Was Continues actually doing a sequel or prequel to Enterprise's "In a Mirror Darkly"? However, once they revealed the older Kirk and the malevolent AI, there was still over a half hour to kill, yet nothing especially interesting or unexpected happened after that point. And it was even longer than a normal TOS episode, if only by a few minutes. I don't know what I would have cut or changed, but I didn't feel that there was enough plot to justify that fifty four minute running time; it just dragged for me. I recall Vic Mignogna stating how difficult it is to come up with worthwhile ideas for episodes. I hate to say it, but that's been somewhat more apparent these past couple installments.
Star Trek Beyond was still one of the biggest hits in 2016 for Paramount, despite making less money than the previous movie. There will most definitely be a sequel.
I gave it fair ....great production value and fair acting. I enjoy watching it, please let me stress that.
But STC stories feel like a mishmash of so many other episodes, and it is so heavily influenced by TNG which is not bad, but not my cup of Earl Grey. TOS told me what time it was, TNG would tell me how the clock was made.
IMO TOS Spock would not say quantum string in 1970, but parallel (maybe alternate) universe and no one would say "huh" ( looking at you Riker) which would open the door for Data to educate us all on the quantum string theory, and Picard nods, because he already knows and then makes a quick reference to something like this that happened years ago.
I would of been happier without the TNG Riker transporter accident, maybe this Alt Kirk was created when the Defiant phased out the first time.
But STC stories feel like a mishmash of so many other episodes, and it is so heavily influenced by TNG which is not bad, but not my cup of Earl Grey. TOS told me what time it was, TNG would tell me how the clock was made.
IMO TOS Spock would not say quantum string in 1970, but parallel (maybe alternate) universe and no one would say "huh" ( looking at you Riker) which would open the door for Data to educate us all on the quantum string theory, and Picard nods, because he already knows and then makes a quick reference to something like this that happened years ago.
I would of been happier without the TNG Riker transporter accident, maybe this Alt Kirk was created when the Defiant phased out the first time.
Decent summation. I was left waffling between a Good and Fair rating. On the one hand I, too, enjoyed watching it yet I was also bothered by all the TNG familiarity. What might have been an interesting wrinkle (although it wouldn't change the essence of the story itself) is if we learned that the older Kirk was indeed from a parallel universe where that Enterprise crew failed to retrieve him.
You are right it would not change the story, but it would change the feel of it and how it makes me feel to view it.
Again at what point do the homages and little inside jokes detract to the point of annoying?
Maybe one day a Garrett will captain the Enterprise (wah wah wah )
I somewhat disagree because it was the original writer who connected the dots and not some story from someone not intimately connected with the original story. To me, that makes a difference. Kind of like David Gerrold doing a tribble story after TTWT's; it fits.
If she had done it fifty years ago in a hypothetical TOS fourth season you would have a case. But she did this today after it was already old hat in TNG and other sci-fi. So, sadly for her, it comes across as borrowing ideas from something lots of people are already well familiar with. Even if she had not watched anything of TNG, DS9, VOY or ENT in all these years it's hard to imagine no one in STC's team recognized these very familiar elements given they are so versed in Trek lore, write stories and characters in a TNG style, include references to post TOS productions and even use TNG style technobbable.
Also TOS had already given us duplicate Kirks in "The Enemy Within" and "Mirror, Mirror."
Oh, and David Gerrold did revist tribbles in TAS and that was a pointless effort. Ditto with "Trials And Tribble-ations."
Dem's fight words partner !